Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!
How Accurate Is My DIY Heat Loss Calculation?
Tragically i was a little bored and under the weather at the weekend so in preparation for going out for quotes for a heat pump and cylinder i had a go at my own heat loss calculations.... any thoughts and advice appreciated. Individual bits.... the end of our hall is a wood and glass wall leading tot he porch so i have ramped up the u fadctor considerably.
?
Good exercise. Obviously I have nothing to check it against but its very plausible. Do you have your current fuel consumption as a sense check?
At this level, as long as its roughly right that's good enough, you are going to end up with a 5 or 6 kW heat pump anyway because thats the lowest capacity most manufacturers do and you want 5-6kW for DHW reheat. Thew living room, at a third of the loss, is probably worth triple checking and you are going to need UFH, more than one rad or a fan coil most likely.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
@jamespa Hi James, the living/kitchen/dining room is around 40% of the property. My annual gas usage is 9300kw, of which i am estimating 170kw a month for hot water and the hub, as this is my average July August gas usage. However it probably takes more to heat water in winter and we probably cook more on the hob, but conservatively i have assigned it all the summer figures. So around 1800 for hot water and hob, and 7500 for heating.
Posted by: @kilgorexvMy annual gas usage is 9300kw, of which i am estimating
That's consistent with your heat loss calculation.
You will end up with a 5 or 6kW heat pump. Cosy 6 if you go with octopus, probably the Vaillant 5kW if you go eg with Heat Geek, or any of several other models at this output capacity.
Unless you have ufh do some calcs on the rad options for the living room. It's likely to be either very large, a type 33 (which is rather thick), more than one rad or a fancoil. I ended up with a fancoiol in a similarly demanding living room which I love, but may not suit you. Fancoils can do light cooling if the heat pump is set up for it, which neither the Cosy nor the Vaillant are by default.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
Just be aware that Octopus are likely to over estimate the heat loss, as could any other installer. You should have a plan for discussing their calculations against yours.
My gas usage was 9000kWh and Octopus still calculated a heat loss of 8500kW and a Cosy 9. They subsequently recalculated heat loss at 7500kW once installed but even so, that would have driven them to a Cosy 9. It’s not a massive issue - I still managed a SCOP of 3.97 - but you may prefer a smaller unit. The problem I had with Heat Geek, who calculated the same 8500kW heat loss actually but recommended a 7kW Vaillant, was that they wanted to charge me £26.5k, before grant, for a simple install, almost double Octopus’ price.
@kilgorexv, I actually think doing your own calculation before getting quotes is a really useful exercise, even if it turns out not to be perfect. It gives you something to interrogate when an installer eventually arrives with a completely different number.
@JamesPa’s sense check against your gas use is probably the bit I’d take most confidence from. If you’re using around 9,300kWh of gas annually and roughly 7,500kWh of that is space heating, then your calculated heat loss doesn’t sound bonkers at all. It certainly gives you another piece of evidence to put alongside the spreadsheet rather than relying on either one in isolation.
And I think @AndrewJ’s experience is exactly why having done this homework is worthwhile. When you start getting surveys, don’t just compare their final “your house is X kW” number with yours. Ask for the room-by-room calculation and compare the assumptions for U-values, air changes, room temperatures and outside design temperature.
I certainly wouldn’t choose the heat pump from your spreadsheet alone, but you’ve now got something useful with which to challenge the eventual design rather than simply being handed a number and accepting it blindly.
🔥 Britain’s Heat Pump Shitshow
How Installing a Heating System Became a National Nervous Breakdown
Free UK shipping.
📗 Heat Pumps Explained
A Jargon-Free Guide for Homeowners
Rewritten and updated for 2027
📘 From Zero to Heat Pump Hero
🛠️ Bodge Buster
New to heat pumps?
Take the Heat Pump Fundamentals course and use INTRO50 at checkout for 50% off.
Any idea how efficient your gas boiler is? Is it a 50 year old Baxi Burmuda back boiler from the 1960's that's probably around 50% efficient, or a modern condensing boiler at could be as much as 80% efficient, as this can make a significant difference to the heat provided from that 7,500kWh of gas consumed.
For example, my parents still have their original 58 year old Baxi Burmuda back boiler in their 1960's bungalow, which has a heat loss of around 5kW based purely on gas consumption data, but when we factor in it's probably 50% efficient at best (I don't think it's ever been serviced, only repaired a couple times), that heat loss figure is probably closer to 2.5kW.
If you have a smart meter and daily data, I'd also look at your highest consumption on the coldest days in winter, and divide by 24 for your heat loss figure. I think this is far more accurate than trying to estimate a heat loss from annual usage. If you've got more data, look back further over more winters.
Samsung 12kW gen6 ASHP with 50L volumiser and large radiators. 7.2kWp solar (south facing), Tesla PW3 (13.5kW). Net Zero
@old_scientist i had a look at this, all my gas consumption for New Years Eve was 85kw. Thats the highest day for two years. Winters have been mild though. -3 was as low as it got, and even then not all day. Even then allowing 6 for hot water and cooking, leaves about 3.33kw an hour.
My boiler is a reasonably odern condensing combi boiler, installed in 2012, but se3rvices once a year and still seems ok, no major problems, so for my calcs i assume around 85 to 88%
Thanks for your feedback.
@editor Thanks Mars, I have been enjoying playing with the formulae, gives me something to do on long night shifts. i actually really enjoying doing the calcs. i would love to do these assessments for a living, its genuinely interesting and would make a positive impact on electrification.
-
Estimating true heat loss from twelve months of consumption data
4 days ago
-
Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?
4 weeks ago
-
Issue with Samsung Cascade System
2 months ago
-
New Vaillant Arotherm Plus 7kW (cooling enabled) + Jaga Briza cooling + Sunamp Thermino – costs, experiences & Sunamp choice (EnerPHit-level retrofit)
3 months ago
-
Design Of Cascade System Replacing Undersized ASHP
3 months ago
Currently viewing this topic 2 guests.
- 27 Forums
- 2,781 Topics
- 65.6 K Posts
- 5,375 Online
- 7,187 Members
Join Us!
Installer Finder
Degrees of Separation
Latest Posts
-
RE: Tesla Powerwall (2) Calibration Cycles
@old_scientist You mean you didn’t know about that secr...
By Toodles , 10 hours ago
-
RE: Replacing Storage Heaters with a Heat Pump in a Stone Cottage
That sounds like a better approach (being able to see a...
By cathodeRay , 10 hours ago
-
RE: DIY Heat Pump Installations: Navigating Legal and Regulatory Hurdles
Thanks for the reference @jamespa I can't see any te...
By Transparent , 12 hours ago
-
RE: battery storage without solar
Indeed, current on the grid input = current used for ch...
By bobflux , 12 hours ago
-
RE: Who's your electricity provider and what's your tariff?
@papahuhu @papahuhu A lot of tears and sweat went into ...
By Andris , 15 hours ago
-
RE: Getting closer to a finished Haier system
Very nice! Congratulations. Big MLC looks neat whe...
By bobflux , 20 hours ago
-
RE: Solar Power Output – Let’s Compare Generation Figures
We have the same problem, 12 mature trees clip the morn...
By Papahuhu , 1 day ago
-
RE: Solis inverters S6-EH1P: pros and cons and battery options
I had a battery and inverter installed a while ago, my ...
By Batpred , 2 days ago
-
RE: Is This Initial Free Quote From Octopus Trusted Partner Reasonable?
@ltron2 The EPC on our house is A-92, however that i...
By Rob of York , 2 days ago
-
RE: Heat pump branding. Clever, contemporary… or a bit too much?
The layout is confusing - much better like this: We b...
By downfield , 3 days ago
-
RE: Is it just me, or does tradesperson timekeeping and communication drive you absolutely mad?
My experience, backed up by opinions from various frien...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 3 days ago
-
RE: Analysis of the economics of switching to an A2W ASHP compared to other heat sources
I had a meeting today with a company based out of Swede...
By Mars , 3 days ago
-
RE: Review your electricity provider
We were with Octopus in our old house and it was fault...
By ian33a , 3 days ago
-
RE: Estimating true heat loss from twelve months of consumption data
I did, indeed, go with the 12 KW Vaillant unit.  ...
By ian33a , 4 days ago
Members Online
No online members at the moment




