@saf1973, does that mean you’re having to pay for this work additionally, or will you be reimbursed in any way by HIES or MCS.

@editor , it's still with the Original company so I'm not paying any extra.  Solartherm subcontract all their plumbing works out so they so just got another plumber in to remove and install properly.    I will say, although he is a good plumber, he is still not a heat pump engineer.   I had to work out where the hidden menu items are in the controller, so again, they are not sending around people who know about heat pumps.

Any plumber with a schematic should be able to plumb it properly, I could have done it myself as a decent DIY'er but I need that MCS certificate to get the RHI.

Solartherm had sent around a surveyor who measured all the rooms and windows yet their plumbers turn up with zero schematics and throw in a buffer without question.  Its clear that the survey was just a tick box rather than putting it through a design.   Throw in the largest heat pump and then throw in a buffer to compensate for the lack of proper sizing, and its the consumer who ends up paying for the wasted energy of that buffer and the cost of installing it in the first place.

We are now only two days away from the closure of the RHI scheme for new applicants and my installer (Solartherm) is showing how little they know about what they are supposed to be doing as an MCS registered supplier.

Last week I get a call saying they were going to issue the MCS Certificate.   I asked about the new EPC and was met with silence followed by a "who told you that you needed one".........my reply, its on the RHI website.

So Yesterday (Monday) the EPC surveyor does the job and i get an email through with the MCS cert but no EPC.  However i looked online and the new EPC is there, so I can start the RHI application.

Then I get to the metering questions and I can go no further as Solartherm have failed to provide a metering form.   So I have gone online to get them that form and sent it tpo them to fill in.....what a shambles.

oh, one last thing.....all this and I still don't have DHW or new Rads fitted.

With the skills we have amassed on this forum we could set up a company that does all this properly!

@saf1973 The procedure and admin tasks for MCS certification are so clearly set out on their website and relevant others' that there is just no justification for any installer not to do the required work properly and in a timely fashion.

@saf1973, that is a complete and utter shambles. What I find concerning is just how disorganized and ill informed installers are. There are some that are truly excellent and that know everything there is to know, but they’re the minority. The rest fly by the seat of their pants.

@editor

I thought that MCS accreditation was supposed to provide some degree of assurance, and hence no doubt give the installer the ability to charge more for their services?

@derek-m, if I'm being honest, I'm quite disillusioned with the MCS. On paper and in theory they should be the safeguard mechanism on just about every level for quality installations and for rectifying bodged installations, but it's simply not translating like that in practical terms. I've raised scores of cases with them (from these forums, from My Home Farm comments and from private emails and comments) and they haven't been able to act in any of the cases to a meaningful degree. This is why I'm watching the comments and updates from Saz and Witchcraft and seeing how they fare. If they don't get a resolution and or reasonable support, I will be personally be writing to Ian Rippon again because it's simply not good enough.  

Update:  I pointed out to Solartherm that they had put on the MCS Certificate "Metering for payment required", which was why I couldn't submit for RHI.  They called back and said they made a mistake and have corrected it.  ......yet another mistake, the list is endless.

How do they get these MCS accreditations I wonder, is it one person in an organisation and then that Org gets it by default?  Because none of the people who I have dealt with in this company know what they are doing in terms of MCS works.

As for the MCS themselves, they passed the case to NICEIC to resolve and I don't have any complaints about them to date.  They have been in regular contact with me and have pursued the installer at Director level.   I will make sure i get every I dotted and T crossed on this install now I have gone through all this pain, it is the only way that installers will learn to do the properly.

I have said it before and will say it again - it is very clear MCS is not fit for purpose. I was first alerted to this by the fact that over half (60%) of my installation design/quotes from MCS accredited installers could never meet MCS requirements. It seems many or most installers (bar the good ones) know they can run rings round a toothless MCS and the result is the many shambles we see described here and elsewhere.

Update June 2022 - Yes i'm still here!   The 2nd plumber finished the job in mid-may, he did a decent job so no complaints about his work.

Solartherm issued me with an Invoice with a £150 good will gesture discount, I had to check it wasn't April fools day .....18 months to do a 3-day job, with no hot water for the entire autumn and winter 2021 and part of the seasons either side, plus freezing rooms due to the misconfigured system.

Certsure (NICEIC) are coming to do a site inspection at the end of the month or mid July and requested that Solartherm attend and here is the current status:

August update

On Friday last week Solartherm sent me an email stating that the case had been closed by the NICEIC so can I make the payment.    I contacted the NICEIC today and they said they have not closed the case at all and in fact the inspection report is still being processed.  So either Solartherm have incompetently got mixed up with another case or they sent out misinformation to obtain payment, not a good look either way.

Following the site visit by the NICEIC with the Solartherm plumber there was an immediate fix carried out as there was no D1 cage around the pressure relief exit pipe.  The inspector had a lot of spoken concerns at the time so I was confused when Solarthem told me the case is closed.    I am expecting the report within the next 10 days.