Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!
@webcmg Our house is a recent self build, timber frame with block, K-rend rendering, and part wood cladding. We're fairly well insulated and had to do an airtightness test to get our RHI. We've got UFH downstairs and larger radiators upstairs. I also bought a Flir last year to track down gaps our builder had missed.
I've attached some screenshot of the consumption and yield for heating plus a Total usage for the house from HA. It's been -9ºC at nights last week so I've seen the highest consumption since moving in.
You don't have a hidden Hot Tub that your wife's been hiding from you? 😉
November:-
December so far.
Total December house usage.
@colin - I'm interested to know where those charts came from, because I am not sure they make sense for December. They show a notable decline in consumption for the period 10-12th Dec, which was right in the middle of the recent cold snap. Perhaps you went away over that period, and turned the heating down? The charts are also not very clearly labelled: is 'Environmental yield' (a rather odd phrase at the best of times) so called 'yield' over and above input, or total 'yield'. If the latter your COP for December doesn't look so hot (at about 2).
Here's my kWh in (consumption, energy used) and kWh out (total heat output generated) for the last three weeks, data taken manually from the Midea app and then charted. The COP on the left hand side hovers between around 3.5 and 4.0, on the right hand side it is nearer 2.5, with an average over the whole period of 3.18.
Midea 14kW (for now...) ASHP heating both building and DHW
@cathoderay Those stats came from SensoApp and Home Assistant. I'm not sure how accurate the SensoApp stats are but I'm sure there's room for my setup to be optimised. It's been nearly -10 for nearly a week last week so I'd expect my COP to suffer. We may have been out or put the log burner on for those days so a slight dip. The COP on the Vaillant is calculated as (Consumed Units+Yield)/Consumed United. When I checked a wee while ago I thought I wasn't doing too badly but I'll be checking in more detail when my heating engineer next visits.
Posted by: @colinThe COP on the Vaillant is calculated as (Consumed Units+Yield)/Consumed Units.
This has come up before, different jargon (yield? environmental yield????) and formulas, adding to the general obfuscation. The industry really needs bashing about the ears to bring it to some sort of order, eg total input (should really include all input ie not just the compressor) and total output (both in kWh so energy used), no need to bother with the yield nonsense, and COP is simply output/input, a COP of three means you put one unit in, and got three units out. Not having a go at you, of course, just a lament against the way the industry uses smoke and mirrors. On the Valliant formula,your COP isn't so bad, using eyeballed averages, about 25kWh in, 50kWh yield so COP is around (25+50)/25 = 3, which may be pretty much where I'm at, and perhaps many people are at, given the recent cold spell.
The other potential problem is the apps not measuring or recording accurately, one of the reasons for asking about where the charts came from. The Midea app uses variable rounding, which just creates more smoke and mirrors, and it is rarely clear whether cumulative figures are based on summed rounded figures, or sums of figures with decimal places (perhaps the former, as the cumulative figures are always rounded too). Luckily my heat pump has an external supply meter which means I can check the app readings, and invariably they are not the same as those from the external meter. Usually the external meter shows a larger figure, by about 5% (maybe that is the non-compressor use) but over the last week it was the other way round - the app reported a larger input than the meter.
Midea 14kW (for now...) ASHP heating both building and DHW
@cathoderay This looks more like my usage profile. What's your setup/house size etc? DO you have heat exchanger and buffer tank?
@colin thanks, do you have an intermediate heat exchanger (VMZ MWT 150) and buffer tank? I am also interested in your settings for your VMZ AI:
- Comp. hyster.CH = 3k
- Max. re. feed head = 900 mbar
- DHW mode (Normal) - options are normal, balanced or eco
- Max, anti-cycl. time = 5h
- Conf. heat. build. pump = Auto
- Conf. DHW. build. pump = Auto
- Compr. current limit = 25
- Compr. noise. reduct. = 40%
- Intermed heat exchange = Yes
@heacol yes, worried that's the case. Need someone to take a look at it, but need remaining insulation issues and rad changes to be addressed first. Not sure where we stand r.e the competent person scheme because Vaillant commissioned the design, a plumber installed the pipework and rads and another company did the UFH. We didn't contract anyone we just bought a new build house. Any ideas?
-
Issue with Samsung Cascade System
2 weeks ago
-
New Vaillant Arotherm Plus 7kW (cooling enabled) + Jaga Briza cooling + Sunamp Thermino – costs, experiences & Sunamp choice (EnerPHit-level retrofit)
4 weeks ago
-
Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?
1 month ago
-
Design Of Cascade System Replacing Undersized ASHP
1 month ago
-
Bosch CS5800i 7kW replacing Greenstar Junior 28i
5 months ago
- 27 Forums
- 2,745 Topics
- 64.5 K Posts
- 170 Online
- 7,148 Members
Join Us!
Installer Finder
Degrees of Separation
Latest Posts
-
RE: Who's your electricity provider and what's your tariff?
Having looked at yesterday’s (Saturday 15th Aug.) consu...
By Toodles , 8 minutes ago
-
RE: Wood burner with ASHP - direct air?
For what it's worth I installed a wood burner in this o...
By BlizzardGreen , 16 minutes ago
-
@editor Thanks for your response and recommendations. ...
By DavidB , 7 hours ago
-
RE: Do I add Air Con or MVHR to existing A2W ASHP?
I think I saw a diagram for an exhaust air dhw tank wit...
By JamesPa , 21 hours ago
-
RE: Indevolt Batteries UK Support & Info Thread
Thanks, however that's an answer to a subtly different ...
By JamesPa , 3 days ago
-
RE: Flushing system, cleaning and inhibitor
Yes, my 50L volumiser uses the two lower ports, so ther...
By Old_Scientist , 3 days ago
-
RE: Solar Power Output – Let’s Compare Generation Figures
@toodles Such elegant symmetry. look at my lumpy bag of...
By Papahuhu , 4 days ago
-
RE: PV and battery long payback - sense check query
Quite probably not, but you can get a 32A relay and a S...
By JamesPa , 4 days ago
-
RE: Starting Our Heat Pump Journey: 1962 build 3 bed detached house
@ian-s Look forward to making contact soon! Regards, To...
By Toodles , 4 days ago
-
I don't notice mine defrosting, and most of the time Im...
By JamesPa , 5 days ago
-
RE: Do I need to change the control unit when replacing my Ecodan Air Source Heat Pump
Kind of you, @calumm, but it was @f1p who did the heavy...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 5 days ago
-
RE: Electricity price predictions
2. As EV ownershp increases it'll certainly increase de...
By EtchedPixels , 6 days ago







