Just one note - if you are Dutch then Deye and Sunsynk are basically the same (the relationship is a lot more complicated) but it's basically the same hardware sold as Sunsynk in some countries, Deye in others and in a slightly modified form Solark in the USA.

Posted by: @etchedpixels

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Just one note - if you are Dutch then Deye and Sunsynk are basically the same (the relationship is a lot more complicated) but it's basically the same hardware sold as Sunsynk in some countries, Deye in others and in a slightly modified form Solark in the USA.

Don't mean to be a party pooper, but at some stage I ran some gooogle searches and I saw reports of Deye kit was being found outside the area where it was supposed to be installed. So in case of any cloud services or warranty claims, there could be some hickups. 

From what I saw the hardware was the same but the app and maybe the UI were different?

The hardware is the same, the UI is a bit different. Deye do not sell into the UK market or I believe have UK certifications. There's a very complicated story behind it all. 

But if you are telling someone Dutch about Sunsynk (or indeed many bits of the world) it's worth telling them it's the same hardware as Deye, which is how they will know what hardware you are talking about.

Posted by: @etchedpixels

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The hardware is the same, the UI is a bit different. Deye do not sell into the UK market or I believe have UK certifications.

Hope this is not another case of British exceptionalism.

In any case, kit being used here will have to work with g98, g99 etc 

Posted by: @batpred

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Posted by: @etchedpixels

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The hardware is the same, the UI is a bit different. Deye do not sell into the UK market or I believe have UK certifications.

Hope this is not another case of British exceptionalism.

In any case, kit being used here will have to work with g98, g99 etc 

 

No - it's Sunsynk in South Africa for example. Sunsynk sell into some markets (and thus have G98/G99 etc), Deye directly into others, Solark in the USA, and I believe there's now another brand selling a customised version of the product in Australia.

Ningbo Deye actually make the hardware, the software varies a bit.

Makes sense.

Although if the inverter firmware is different, it is a different product as far as certs are concerned ..

I have spoken to a SunSynk Director (from South Africa).

Yes their inverters are manufactured for them by Deye.

But SynSynk not only have additional Q&A, but also specify parameters for all the components used. In short, that means their units are built to the standard you'd normally expect from a European factory.

SunSynk's firmware is written by them, and therefore wholly under their control. Only their product range can connect to the post-sales support network and receive remote diagnosis of any fault.

Indevolt put their pre-orders for the powerflex3000 up yesterday btw. https://www.pluginsolarexplained.co.uk/blog/indevolt-powerflex-3000-uk-preorder/

• Base unit at the £799 pre-order price, 2kWh: £399.50 per kWh
• Base unit at the £999 full price, 2kWh: £499.50 per kWh
• The PFA4000 expansion on its own, £899 for 4kWh: £224.75 per kWh
• Pre-order plus expansion, £1,698 for 6kWh: £283.00 per kWh
• Full price plus expansion, £1,898 for 6kWh: £316.33 per kWh

Ok so let's start off by saying that anyone who reads the high level blurb and thinks they will get continuity of home electricity supply when the grid fails will be disappointed.  The 'backup' is a separate socket on the device into which you need to plug the items you wish to protect from grid failure.  That, however, is also true of many, perhaps most, professionally installed systems (if indeed, they provide grid backup at all)

With that out of the way am I right in thinking that this and like products will devastate the lower and even middle end of the 'professionally installed' pv and battery market?

I have pv from 2011 but a battery, until the advent of plug in, simply doesn't make sense given the installation costs.  This changes the picture radically (once it's fully legal of course) and getting one to augment my existing solar looks like. no brainer.

If I didn't already have pv this product plus say 2kWp of panels, say another £1k, looks equally irresistible.  Ok if I have space for 4+kWp then maybe professional installation makes sense, but at lower capacities, I can't see it.  The middle ground will struggle too.

That said I'm not sure how big the _current_ market is for say 2kWp PV or 5-10kWh battery banks that aren't installed at the se time as pv.  Perhaps both are small so actually this will open up a new market rather than cannabilising from existing.  Does anyone know?  For those, like me, who already have PV, or for people only have room for 1-2kWp, it feels like a revolutionary development. 

Of course at least some of the credit for making this and like products available (assuming it does happen) should go to DENZ (IE government) which has robustly repudiated the attempts by the established industry to block it.