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Sigenergy Battery Storage System
Any users of the Sigenergy System? Looking at their product to provide a 12Kw battery with full house backup.
Hitachi Yutaki SCombi Heat Pump
(Indoor Unit ) RWD-3.0RW1E-220S-K
(Outdoor Unit) RAS-3WHVRP1
2024 build bungalow, Southern england, 179 m2, 14w/m2
Underfloor heating all fully open
7KW heat pump
50 litre buffer tank (4 port)
3.6KW solar panels
Their reviews are variable at best:
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/sigenergy.com
I'd be dubious given the amount of time they have been around given their current track record. Tesla are a similar price, accepted as a premium product and have a far better (and longer) history of delivering customer support for their product in the UK.
Just my (biased) opinion. If you have total confidence in your installer to support your installation at their expense, then maybe.
Samsung 12kW gen6 ASHP with 50L volumiser and all new large radiators. 7.2kWp solar (south facing), Tesla PW3 (13.5kW)
Solar generation completely offsets ASHP usage annually. We no longer burn ~1600L of kerosene annually.
@trebor12345, I looked into Signenergy a few weeks ago and wasn't convinced.
If you're willing to wait till June/July, Indevolt have some interesting products coming out in the UK, and we're also collaborating with SolarWatt to install their wholesome backup solution which looks like a very polished product.
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Sigenergy have a cloud based control system, like Givenergy, which is currently exercising many people’s worry beads because GE hardware have gone bust.
Sigenergy storage has a built-in ‘heart beat’ which has to have a response to stay alive, so very locked in to them staying in business. If they went bust then there may be no local control option to keep batteries working. It increases the consequences of the risk!
2kW + Growatt & 4kW +Sunnyboy PV on south-facing roof Solar thermal. 9.5kWh Givenergy battery with AC3. MVHR. Vaillant 7kW ASHP (very pleased with SCOP >4) open system operating on WC
Posted by: @old_scientistTheir reviews are variable at best:
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/sigenergy.com
I'd be dubious given the amount of time they have been around given their current track record. Tesla are a similar price, accepted as a premium product and have a far better (and longer) history of delivering customer support for their product in the UK.
Just my (biased) opinion. If you have total confidence in your installer to support your installation at their expense, then maybe.
The negative reviews are a worry. I would note that some are from Australia. I have been looking at Tesla as well.
I am confident in my installer but if all goes wrong, they may not be in a position to fix any issues.
Hitachi Yutaki SCombi Heat Pump
(Indoor Unit ) RWD-3.0RW1E-220S-K
(Outdoor Unit) RAS-3WHVRP1
2024 build bungalow, Southern england, 179 m2, 14w/m2
Underfloor heating all fully open
7KW heat pump
50 litre buffer tank (4 port)
3.6KW solar panels
Posted by: @editor@trebor12345, I looked into Signenergy a few weeks ago and wasn't convinced.
If you're willing to wait till June/July, Indevolt have some interesting products coming out in the UK, and we're also collaborating with SolarWatt to install their wholesome backup solution which looks like a very polished product.
I am looking for full house back up. I don't thing this product has this functionality. Please let me know if I am wrong.
Hitachi Yutaki SCombi Heat Pump
(Indoor Unit ) RWD-3.0RW1E-220S-K
(Outdoor Unit) RAS-3WHVRP1
2024 build bungalow, Southern england, 179 m2, 14w/m2
Underfloor heating all fully open
7KW heat pump
50 litre buffer tank (4 port)
3.6KW solar panels
By way of comparison, the Tesla PW3 + Gateway offers full home backup and 13.5kW of fully usable battery capacity. It also has a flexible 11.04kW inverter that can be software limited if required, so you are not locking yourself in on a certain inverter size when you purchase.
That higher inverter rating is actually really useful/important - being able to deliver a full 11kW to house load, including when off grid, is very flexible. We can run our 10kW electric shower completely from battery, and when cooking often find the oven (3kW), kettle (3kW) and air fryer (2.7kW) or microwave (1.5kW) in simultaneous use, all of which can be handled with ease by the PW3. I would find it extremely limiting, not to mention annoying, if we only had a 5 or 6kW inverter and ended up pulling from the grid at peak times because the inverter couldn't handle 2 or 3 things all being on at once even though you have a full battery. Can you imagine - hey dear, would you mind turning the oven off before you turn the kettle on to make gravy? That's how divorce starts!
So price up that Sigenergy system with comparable storage (so maybe 2 x 6kW [which are actually 5.84kW] if that's all you need), a 10 or 12kW inverter with full home backup and see how it compares on a like for like basis with a PW3 + Gateway (allowing for the difference in storage capacity)
BTW, I totally get if you can't get past the Elon factor, but for us the Tesla was really the only horse in the race.
Samsung 12kW gen6 ASHP with 50L volumiser and all new large radiators. 7.2kWp solar (south facing), Tesla PW3 (13.5kW)
Solar generation completely offsets ASHP usage annually. We no longer burn ~1600L of kerosene annually.
Posted by: @old_scientistBy way of comparison, the Tesla PW3 + Gateway offers full home backup and 13.5kW of fully usable battery capacity.
Yes now looking like a Tesla Powerwall3. Not much difference in cost around £8500 for full house back up.
Hitachi Yutaki SCombi Heat Pump
(Indoor Unit ) RWD-3.0RW1E-220S-K
(Outdoor Unit) RAS-3WHVRP1
2024 build bungalow, Southern england, 179 m2, 14w/m2
Underfloor heating all fully open
7KW heat pump
50 litre buffer tank (4 port)
3.6KW solar panels
@trebor12345, the Solarwatt product has the same functionality as the Powerwall, and their gateway is coming out later this year that will allow you to island during power outages. It's a good looking piece of equipment too, with a modular system. I'll be covering it in more detail later this summer.
The Indevolt allows for islanding, but it's not as "robust" as the Powerwall or the Solarwatt.
What is your goal @trebor12345? Is it having the option to island during outages?
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Posted by: @trebor12345Posted by: @old_scientistBy way of comparison, the Tesla PW3 + Gateway offers full home backup and 13.5kW of fully usable battery capacity.
Yes now looking like a Tesla Powerwall3. Not much difference in cost around £8500 for full house back up.
If you do go for a PW3, I'd recommend ditching your current solar inverter and getting the installers to connect your existing solar array into the PW3 so your solar is DC coupled to minimise unnecessary conversion losses.
Tesla are also offering a £375 rebate for orders placed before end of June and installed before end of August (although apparently it takes an age to claim):
https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/support/energy/powerwall/order/rebate#
Samsung 12kW gen6 ASHP with 50L volumiser and all new large radiators. 7.2kWp solar (south facing), Tesla PW3 (13.5kW)
Solar generation completely offsets ASHP usage annually. We no longer burn ~1600L of kerosene annually.
@editor When reviewing batteries, it is essential to run them over a full winter to review their charging ability when it's sub-zero outside, especially when the reason for purchase is to power a heat pump. Some battery brands without adequate thermal management struggle to charge in sub-zero temperatures so a thorough review of real world outdoor winter performance is important. If the battery cannot charge at the advertised rate in cold weather then it may not be possible to fully recharge the battery in the available off-peak window just when the power is needed most. Most batteries perform great when it's 15-25C.
Samsung 12kW gen6 ASHP with 50L volumiser and all new large radiators. 7.2kWp solar (south facing), Tesla PW3 (13.5kW)
Solar generation completely offsets ASHP usage annually. We no longer burn ~1600L of kerosene annually.
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