Search with Wattson

Notifications

Clear all

Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!

Are Solar Diverters Necessary for Homes with ASHPs and Solar PV?

Mars · 2024-04-18T15:00:56Z

As homeowners increasingly adopt solar photovoltaic (PV) systems and air source heat pumps (ASHPs) in their pursuit of greener, more cost-efficient energy solutions, the integration and optimisation of these technologies come under scrutiny. One component at the heart of this discussion is the solar diverter. In households that utilise both solar PV systems and ASHPs, the necessity of adding a solar diverter becomes a point of debate. Could homeowners achieve greater efficiency and cost savings by simply relying on their ASHP for their hot water production? This question becomes particularly pressing when existing solar diverters start to malfunction or fail. For instance, our Solar iBoost malfunctioned after a few years, and our Immersun device has ceased working twice in its first year. Given the substantial cost of solar diverters, it's worth reevaluating their value in homes that use heat pumps. The Components at Play Solar PV System: Converts sunlight into electricity, providing a renewable source of energy to power home appliances, including heat pumps. Solar Diverter (Immersun, Solar iBoost, eddi, etc.): Redirects surplus solar electricity not used by the household to an immersion heater in the hot water cylinder, thus utilising excess solar energy for water heating. Air Source Heat Pump: Transfers heat from the air outside to heat water. Its efficiency is quantified by the Coefficient of Performance (COP), which in our case is 2.7. This means for every unit of electricity, our heat pump produces 2.7 units of heat. The Efficiency Comparison To understand the efficiency and potential savings, let's perform a calculation comparing the electrical requirements for heating our 300-litre hot water cylinder to 45°C using both the heat pump (with its COP of 2.7) and a similar scenario using a solar diverter with an immersion heater. Heating Water with a Heat Pump The efficiency of a heat pump is gauged by its COP, which in our case is 2.7. Full disclosure, maths isn't my strong point, but I think that this makes sense: to figure out the energy needed to heat water, we used the following equation: Q=m x c x ΔT Q stands for the heat energy needed, measured in joules. m represents the mass of the water, in kilograms (for 300 litres of water, this is 300kg). c is the specific heat capacity of water, valued at 4.186 Joules per gram per degree Celsius. ΔT is the change in temperature, in degrees Celsius (in this case, the increase to 45°C). From this, to calculate the electricity that the heat pump requires, taking its COP into account, we used: This formula helps us determine the amount of electricity in kilowatt-hours (kWh) that the heat pump would use to achieve the desired water temperature, allowing for a straightforward comparison with the solar diverter scenario. This approach aims to provide a clear understanding of the energy requirements and efficiency of heating water using these methods, helping homeowners make informed decisions. Heating Water with a Solar Diverter In this scenario, the electricity generated by the solar PV system is diverted to an immersion heater inside the hot water cylinder. The energy efficiency directly relates to the amount of surplus solar electricity available and the immersion heater's ability to convert this electricity into heat. The Calculation Let's crunch the numbers for both scenarios to determine the most efficient method for heating the water to 45°C. Through this comparative analysis, we aim to see which system — solar diverter vs. heat pump — is more electricity-efficient for heating a 300-litre hot water cylinder to 45°C. The conclusion will help determine whether replacing the solar diverter is worth the investment or if relying solely on the heat pump, powered by the solar PV system, is the more prudent choice. Results Upon conducting the calculations, the results are quite revealing. To heat a 300-litre hot water cylinder to 45°C: Using the Heat Pump: It requires approximately 5.81 kWh of electricity. This calculation considers our heat pump's COP of 2.7, highlighting its ability to efficiently convert electrical energy into heat. Using the Solar Diverter: Assuming the immersion heater is nearly 100% efficient at converting electricity to heat, it requires about 15.70 kWh of electricity. This scenario does not benefit from the efficiency multiplier provided by the heat pump's COP. Weighing Efficiency Against Sustainability The comparative analysis demonstrates a notable difference in electrical consumption between using a heat pump and a solar diverter. The heat pump stands out for its substantial energy efficiency, necessitating less than half the electricity to reach the same heating level as the solar diverter method. The higher the COP, the higher the difference. It's crucial, however, to contextualise this efficiency within the operational dynamics of both systems. Unlike heat pumps, which can heat water as needed, solar diverters operate exclusively with ...

Page 2 / 2 Prev

Solar Thermal & Power Diverters

Last Post by energy-optimiser 2 years ago

19 Posts

7 Users

9 Reactions

4,281 Views

RSS

Gary

(@gary)

Reputable Member Member

Joined: 4 years ago

Posts: 350

23/04/2024 10:07 am

I do the same, 250L tank heated to 47C overnight, no reheat required to get us through a normal days usage.

👍

ReplyQuote

Davesoa

(@davesoa)

Estimable Member Member

Joined: 4 years ago

Posts: 92

23/04/2024 1:07 pm

I've had an iBoost for 6 years. In total it tells me I've 'saved' 2400 kWh to date. For the first 4 years it did a reasonable job of heating the water during the summer leaving me with minimal gas bills. Since buying an EV two years ago then installing a Powerwall last February the amount of savings have dropped (of course). The Powerwall is charged first and then the water. Having said that today, overcast but with PV generation, the iBoost is currently heating the water. The PW is now at 100% but there is not enough PV output to warrant plugging in the car. The iBoost has more than recouped its purchase cost if you assume an average electric tariff over that time. If you use an average gas tariff then it's a moot point - however it has saved CO2 emissions. I'm on IOG so do not use the iBoost overnight. The saving is marginal. It would make no sense to have one with an ASHP - unfortunately Octopus have declined to fit one (apparently I need a 14 kWh HP and they only supply up to 11 kWh). If/when the iBoost fails I will not replace it. There would likely not be any payback during its life.

Ideal HP290 14kw heat pump, 2.99kw PV, Powerwall 2, Zappi charger, EV. Midlands location hybrid house part 1911, part 1970, part 2020s.

ReplyQuote

zzxap19

(@zzxap19)

New Member Member

Joined: 2 years ago

Posts: 1

24/04/2024 6:21 am

The installer of my heat pump gave me that exact advice. Forget my Eddi and use the heat pump. My wife? "I don't care. I like the hotter showers". Happy wife, happy life

👍

ReplyQuote

Mars

(@editor)

Illustrious Member Admin

Joined: 6 years ago

Posts: 4874

Topic starter 24/04/2024 10:00 am

@zzxap19 that's a fair point. With the eddi, is it possible to set the diverter to only kick when the HW cylinder is at a certain temperature. That would be ideal. Allow the heat pump to efficiently get it to 45C, and allow the diverter to take over from there to 50C and beyond.

🔥 Britain’s Heat Pump Shitshow
How Installing a Heating System Became a National Nervous Breakdown
Free UK shipping.
Rewritten and updated for 2027
📘 From Zero to Heat Pump Hero
🛠️ Bodge Buster
New to heat pumps?
Take the Heat Pump Fundamentals course and use INTRO50 at checkout for 50% off.

ReplyQuote

Mars

(@editor)

Illustrious Member Admin

Joined: 6 years ago

Posts: 4874

Topic starter 03/05/2024 5:14 pm

@andris you mentioned a cover for your HW cylinder. Did you buy one?

ReplyQuote

Andris

(@andris)

Estimable Member Member

Joined: 5 years ago

Posts: 128

03/05/2024 5:38 pm

@editor No, I made one 😀

Loft insulation all around, then put an old curtain around it to seal the fibre glass. It is located under my stair case inside the house. Not the best as it is a horizontal tank. But I have definitely halfed the heat loss even though it is inside the house.

16kw Samsung TDM ASHP. 8.4kw PV, power optimizers 20×420watt panels 6kw SolarEdge inverter.

👍

ReplyQuote

energy-optimiser

(@energy-optimiser)

Active Member Member

Joined: 2 years ago

Posts: 5

14/08/2024 9:54 am

Ideally you could put that power through the heat pump, but I haven't yet found the controls with sophisticated enough logic to do that. Any one else seen any good ones?
It is a decision on what you prefer/ your situation, do you get a good export rate for your electricity? If so, export to the grid. If not, use as much as possible at home and put it in your hot water tank!

ReplyQuote

Page 2 / 2 Prev