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Heat Geek Zero Disrupt: Are We Sleepwalking Into Another Race to the Bottom?

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Thanks @l8again

We crossed posts. That answers the question about additional equipment, although I’d still be interested in Heat Geek explaining how they check the reliability of the figures used to assess the guarantee, rather than simply how they access them. I’m not suggesting that the absence of a separate meter means anything is wrong, but I think it’s a reasonable question when the measured result is what determines whether a promise has been delivered.

Your concern about changing settings is a fair one, and I can see both sides of it. I wouldn’t expect an installer to stand behind the same efficiency figure regardless of how far somebody departs from the agreed setup, but equally, I wouldn’t want a homeowner feeling that their heating controls had become a minefield where touching the wrong button might undermine their protection. For me, the distinction is between ordinary adjustments to suit life in the house and changes that fundamentally alter how the system was designed to operate, and I’d want the installer to explain where that boundary sits... but that's me.

I’d also ask them to distinguish clearly between the equipment warranty and the efficiency guarantee, rather than leaving you to assume that the same conditions apply to both. 

The other thing I’d clarify is your assumption about automatic alerts, because knowing that somebody can look at the system isn’t quite the reassurance of knowing that they are watching for problems. Your approach of following the installer’s advice through the first winter sounds sensible to me... I’d just want their monitoring and support responsibilities to be as clearly understood as your responsibilities as the homeowner.


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I think there is a legitimate discussion here about what its practical to expect.  If we can agree, which I hope we can, that a SCOP guarantee is actually (much) more valuable to the householder than a figure for FT, what is it reasonable to expect someone who offers that to provide.  And is it really in the customers interest to ask them to fit specialist measurement equipment to every installation particularly when, like Heat Geek, they have data from thousands of installations that are not encumbered with buffer tanks or other problematic design 'features'.

Guaranteeing SCOP is, IMHO, a significant maturing of the market, which really should become universal.  In the end its the main figure that matters once the house is warm enough and you are happy with the installation price.  However it would be a pity if it does become universal (or more widespread) at the expense of a significant increase in installation cost.

When you buy a motor car they dont offer to monitor mpg, although these days they definitely can and possibly do.  The expectation is that you will return it to the dealer if it is underperforming.  I would accept that heat pumps are not a direct analogy, but at the same time I would not want to expect things that involve a lot of additional cost. 

Answers on a postcard!

Ps this would make a great podcast with two protagonists, a householder and a moderator.   Detailed design information Vs guaranteeing the thing the customer actually cares about!

 


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4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.


   
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