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Hydrogen Ready

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Jeff
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Looks like the gas pipe replacement in our road will take longer.... 

The team contracted to Cadent have been dismissed over the weekend for multiple breaches of health and safety regulations.

No news yet on when anyone will be taking over.



   
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The team contracted to Cadent have been dismissed over the weekend for multiple breaches of health and safety regulations.

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Inspires confidence in the infrastructure for moving explosive material, doesn't it? I hope Cadent or whoever takes over from the contractor reviews what's been installed so far.

I think I've posted this before, but this seems too good an opportunity to miss.

A skydiver jumps out of the aeroplane and, after enjoying a spectacular freefall, pulls the rip cord to deploy his canopy. Nothing happens. Calmly, the skydiver pulls the ripcord for the emergency parachute. Still nothing happens. Now getting somewhat concerned, he notices someone rapidly coming up towards him in the opposite direction. In desperation, he calls out as the two get close.

"Hey, do you know anything about parachutes?"

The reply comes almost immediately.

"No, mate. What about you? Know anything about gas cookers?"

 


105 m2 bungalow in South East England
Mitsubishi Ecodan 8.5 kW air source heat pump
18 x 360W solar panels
1 x 6 kW GroWatt battery and SPH5000 inverter
1 x Myenergi Zappi
1 x VW ID3
Raised beds for home-grown veg and chickens for eggs

"Semper in excretia; sumus solum profundum variat"


   
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The team contracted to Cadent have been dismissed over the weekend for multiple breaches of health and safety regulations.

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Inspires confidence in the infrastructure for moving explosive material, doesn't it? I hope Cadent or whoever takes over from the contractor reviews what's been installed so far.

I think I've posted this before, but this seems too good an opportunity to miss.

A skydiver jumps out of the aeroplane and, after enjoying a spectacular freefall, pulls the rip cord to deploy his canopy. Nothing happens. Calmly, the skydiver pulls the ripcord for the emergency parachute. Still nothing happens. Now getting somewhat concerned, he notices someone rapidly coming up towards him in the opposite direction. In desperation, he calls out as the two get close.

"Hey, do you know anything about parachutes?"

The reply comes almost immediately.

"No, mate. What about you? Know anything about gas cookers?"

 

Yes, Cadent have just come and been  reviewing the "carnage" today and spoken to everyone in the close and apologised. So they know what needs doing as well as tidying up the general mess. A new team will be assigned. Luckily none of the holes and trenches have been filled anywhere near us. They said it was the worse they had ever seen. 

The dodgy team have had their registration suspended and Cadent have distributed their details to other network operators. They lied to Cadent about cutting the electric, even though it was caught on security cameras, including carrying on digging when my partner spoke to them. 

I can't fault the response from UK Power or Cadent in terms of acting and keeping us updated, although obviously it should never have happened. 

 


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I can't fault the response from UK Power or Cadent in terms of acting and keeping us updated, although obviously it should never have happened. 

This is very positive and all too easy to ignore. I've said a number of times before in various situations that judging a company on what they get right is never as telling as looking at how they act when something goes wrong. After all, we live in an imperfect world.

 


105 m2 bungalow in South East England
Mitsubishi Ecodan 8.5 kW air source heat pump
18 x 360W solar panels
1 x 6 kW GroWatt battery and SPH5000 inverter
1 x Myenergi Zappi
1 x VW ID3
Raised beds for home-grown veg and chickens for eggs

"Semper in excretia; sumus solum profundum variat"


   
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Posted by: @majordennisbloodnok
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Posted by: @jeff
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I can't fault the response from UK Power or Cadent in terms of acting and keeping us updated, although obviously it should never have happened. 

This is very positive and all too easy to ignore. I've said a number of times before in various situations that judging a company on what they get right is never as telling as looking at how they act when something goes wrong. After all, we live in an imperfect world.

 

Yes, the work starts again on Tuesday morning with a known experienced team this time. I just met the supervisor. 

 



   
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Slow progress with H100 Fife. Am not surprised personally.....

https://www.h100fife.co.uk/h100-fife-continues-to-make-progress/

Be interesting to see if they actually progress to pumping into houses in 2027 in Fife.....

The offshore wind turbine is already there. The pipes to the houses on the estate were completed in 2023....

They have trained a lot of gas engineers to work on Hydrogen, which is added to the engineers general gas safety registration.

But the actual generation and storage facility has taken a long time to design and build and only now is being tested/commissioned....

I would not be surprised if H100 Fife shows the approach is "possible" but not "commercially viable" to extend.

In the meantime the streets around us in Welwyn continue to have their gas pipes up to the house made "hydrogen" ready. Our garden is all sorted now after the mess a Cadent contractor left.


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Posted by: @jeff
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Slow progress with H100 Fife. Am not surprised personally.....

https://www.h100fife.co.uk/h100-fife-continues-to-make-progress/

Be interesting to see if they actually progress to pumping into houses in 2027 in Fife.....

The offshore wind turbine is already there. The pipes to the houses on the estate were completed in 2023....

They have trained a lot of gas engineers to work on Hydrogen, which is added to the engineers general gas safety registration.

But the actual generation and storage facility has taken a long time to design and build and only now is being tested/commissioned....

I would not be surprised if H100 Fife shows the approach is "possible" but not "commercially viable" to extend.

In the meantime the streets around us in Welwyn continue to have their gas pipes up to the house made "hydrogen" ready. Our garden is all sorted now after the mess a Cadent contractor left.

Its extremely disappointing indeed that any 'progress' at all is being made!  Hydrogen ready for domestic heating is nothing more than a con by the fossil fuel industry to keep boilers going longer.  

To make it in a green way you need roughly 1.4* as much electricity as the heat it produces, compared to a heat pump where you need 25% as much electricity as the heat it produces, so it is simply not going to make financial sense.

Where it does make sense is for energy storage or, better still, for applications where electricity is not a viable primary source.

Why are we doing this?  Lets hope that does indeed show that the approach is "possible" but not "commercially viable" to extend, so we can stop wasting money.

 


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Indeed it is quite idiotic

Many industries require pure hydrogen for chemical reactions, it is used in enormous quantities to make fertilizer, steel, etc... and it is usually produced from natgas, through a process which wastes a significant proportion of the energy contained in the gas, plus it releases huge quantities of CO2. These would be prime candidates, since these guys already have a "hydrogen ready" installation because they're actually using it. If hydrogen is to be made from renewable overproduction, it should happen right next to these industrial plants...



   
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There is also a push to replace what were temporary large diesel generators for electricity with hydrogen generators. I have seen the hydrogen generators at a couple of music festivals, along with vegetable oil.



   
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There is also a push to replace what were temporary large diesel generators for electricity with hydrogen generators. I have seen the hydrogen generators at a couple of music festivals, along with vegetable oil.

No problem with that, its sensible use of hydrogen.  You couldn't substitute a heat pump in this circumstance!

 


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@jamespa Energy storage is not a sensible use for hydrogen. It leaks, it attacks the containment and it's extremely hard to store safety. Even well run hydrogen storing/using plants have explosions.

There are lots of things you can do when the sun shines - like run Haber-Bosch and make fertilizers so you don't need to shuffle tons of methane around the world, mix it with steam to produce masses of emissions and then use vast amounts of dirty energy turning it into fertilizer and then stockpile fertilizer.

 



   
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A small sample of the current Hydrogen pipework and storage projects in the UK, including salt mines, to support industrial users.

This includes repurposing some existing natural gas infrastructure.

https://national-infrastructure-consenting.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/project-search?searchTerm=Hydrogen

Be interesting to watch how these and others progress, and how they are funded.


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