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Replacing knackered oil boiler with ASHP - Perthshire

 
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 DowallyDrifter
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Topic starter 13/03/2025 1:01 pm  

Interested in red flags, guidance on replacing 26Kw oil-boiler with in-boiler 127l HW tank, with ASHP, 300l tank.

Timber frame with block exterior, 275sq.m, bilt 1999, UFH both floors with room stats in all but 3 bathrooms which are always open.  Original heat loss as designed was ca. 18kW.  two log burners, one in front hall one in large living room upstairs. Oil aga for cooking always on.

Two suppliers quoted: one calculated heat loss at 13.3kW, the other at 18.94kW so ASHP at 16kw and 2x19kW.

Both quote for buffer tank.


   
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13/03/2025 2:30 pm  

@dowallydrifter

I think I would be tempted to do my own heat loss assessment. Using heatpunk

or you could try this simple one https://openenergymonitor.org/tools/SimpleHeatLoss.html

There is a substantial difference between the two you have. Also i would look at possible easy insulation upgrades to reduce it.

Also I would ask the installers to justify why they think a buffer is necessary. Much better not to have one if possible as it will lower your efficiency.

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Topic starter 13/03/2025 3:42 pm  

@bontwoody Thanks - will have a go at the calcs as I've the data that they used.  I've asked about buffer today and waiting on a reply.


   
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13/03/2025 4:09 pm  

@dowallydrifter if you had oil usage figures and didn’t use the wood burners much you could use that as well to get a sanity check.

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13/03/2025 4:42 pm  

Posted by: @dowallydrifter
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@bontwoody Thanks - will have a go at the calcs as I've the data that they used.  I've asked about buffer today and waiting on a reply.

You will not need a buffer if the system is correctly installed. I will connect you with two excellent installers shortly that cover your area so you can get comparative pricing. 

 

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13/03/2025 4:44 pm  

Posted by: @bontwoody
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@dowallydrifter if you had oil usage figures and didn’t use the wood burners much you could use that as well to get a sanity check.

Totally agree and I would be suspicious of the high loss estimates.  Even if you did use the wood burners and know how much wood you burned you could add that in.  I am sceptical about even 13kW unless it's poorly insulated.  Any sanity check you could do would be a good idea 

 

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Topic starter 13/03/2025 5:57 pm  

@bontwoody Thanks. Oil figures available but can't isolate aga from the dead boiler usage unfortunately.


   
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Topic starter 13/03/2025 5:58 pm  

@editor thanks!


   
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Topic starter 13/03/2025 6:11 pm  

@jamespa oil varies 2500-4000 litres a year for boiler and aga, ca. 4 cu.m wood p.a. Original design for UFH showed outside walls with K=0.45 W/sq.m/K roof K=0.24 W/sq.m/K, and windows at 3.5 W/sq.m/K .  Independent engineer in 1999 when built reckoned 18Kw at -5degC.  Not trivial to add wall insulation to timber frame. Loft insulation doable to some (bats permitting!) more constrained access in rest of roof.


   
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13/03/2025 6:40 pm  

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Not trivial to add wall insulation to timber frame

It is pointless adding EWI to a timber framed house with external block rainscreen. The movement of air around the timber frame inside of the block outer makes adding EWI irrelevant.

Also in Perthshire with leaky timber frame in an exposed site. 


   
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