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Surge Protection Devices

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trebor12345
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Posted by: @jamespa

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The requirement for me came from the following document.

Screenshot 2026 06 11 at 09.52.46

 

 

 

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Noted.  As I say the Valiant installation manual I have does not require an RCD, but does specify the type if one is fitted.

I would say that the document above could be read either way however if you read it as RCD mandatory then a fuse is also mandatory and hardly anyone is going to fit one of those.  Thus I would personally refer to the installation manual for clarification.

This was a bit of a nightmare when I discussing my install with the provider.  However, the install manual also stated that I need this:

 

Screenshot 2026 06 11 at 14.21.32

 


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trebor12345
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Although we can't see the part number on that photo above, I assume that the Hager RCD in the upper consumer unit is this one.

here's a close up of what is installed.

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I'm 90% certain that the device you have does not operate as over-current protection.

The number of Amps stated on it are the rating of the contacts. It doesn't trip out if you exceed that.

What is the part number printed above the blue button?


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Posted by: @trebor12345

Posted by: @jamespa

Posted by: @trebor12345

The requirement for me came from the following document.

Screenshot 2026 06 11 at 09.52.46

 

 

 

@trebor12345 

Noted.  As I say the Valiant installation manual I have does not require an RCD, but does specify the type if one is fitted.

I would say that the document above could be read either way however if you read it as RCD mandatory then a fuse is also mandatory and hardly anyone is going to fit one of those.  Thus I would personally refer to the installation manual for clarification.

This was a bit of a nightmare when I discussing my install with the provider.  However, the install manual also stated that I need this:

 

Screenshot 2026 06 11 at 14.21.32

 

Same as I quoted, no requirement for an RCD to be fitted but if one is fitted then it must be of a specific type.  I think that's very clear and also entirely logical.

Not sure why they use the word 'fuse'.  Most installations will use MCBs these days.  Maybe it's a translation from the German or Czech.

 


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Hager CDB540HP is a Residual Current Circuit Breaker.

Here's the English text in the Installation Manual.
It measures current which leaks to earth.

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It needs an MCB in series to provide over-current protection.

The current rating of the MCB is determined by the cable-size which supplies the Heat Pump.
Do you know what that is?


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JamesPa
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@transparent. It looks from the picture posted earlier as if this RCD is fed from the main cu.  That being the case perhaps there is an MCB in series there


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OP wrote:

Posted by: @trebor12345

There is NO MCB in the main consumer unit for the heat pump. 

So I'd be interested to know where the feed to the new CU is supplied from...
... and what size cable it has between the two units.


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Posted by: @transparent

OP wrote:

Posted by: @trebor12345

There is NO MCB in the main consumer unit for the heat pump. 

So I'd be interested to know where the feed to the new CU is supplied from...
... and what size cable it has between the two units.

Sorry missed that.  It's pretty obvious from the photo that this RCD is fed from the main cu, but if there is no MCB then, as you say, what protects the cable?

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