Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!
This does not make sense - documents needed for EPC score
@ronin92 that's a good find, thank you. Having had a speed-read of the research paper, it seems the elephant in the room may be the simple affordability of heating houses assigned lower EPC gradings E, F & G. That could be a significant aspect of the predicted vs actual metered energy consumption. Chances are the thermostats are set lower in such buildings, more rooms are left unheated, and the occupants accept lower levels of thermal comfort as a price to pay for being able to manage the cost of very expensive gas and electric they consume. EPCs do not factor any of this into the SAP calculation method.
The EPC process is deeply flawed, and whole house permeability/leakage tests are not mandated in the survey method. That alone can be grossly under or overestimated, especially for properties more exposed to the elements. It is almost as significant a factor as the U values of the building fabric, especially for older 'draughtier' properties.
This matters, because domestic EPCs are a legal requirement for the sale, purchase and letting of property. Also more and more access to grant funded schemes including BUS is linked to EPC grading. The BRE domestic SAP process is deeply flawed for assessing dwellings with heat pumps: https://www.yorkshireenergysystems.co.uk/epcandheatpumps/
Hi Everyone,
Rather than just discuss this problem on the forum, I would encourage you to write to your MP and ask what is being done to rectify this problem. Below is a copy of the message that I sent today.
Hi Andrew,
A number of forum members on the Renewable Heating Hub, of which I am a moderator, have highlighted the fact that recent EPC assessments have been lower than anticipated because they had installed an ASHP.
One of the members posted this report, which although quite dated, was highlighting this problem approximately 8 years ago.
https://www.yorkshireenergysystems.co.uk/epcandheatpumps
Could you please explain what, if anything, is being done to remedy this obvious problem, since the Government is trying to encourage homeowners to install energy efficient heating systems such as heat pumps. It would appear that the present EPC assessment methodology is seriously flawed, and needs urgent revision.
Another forum member installed an Air to Water heat pump himself, and found that the cost of all the materials and equipment, along with a sufficient allowance for labour costs, produce a figure that was approximately £5000 less than the quotes from a number of installers. I strongly suspect that the BUS grant of £5000 is not actually benefiting homeowner's, but is instead going into the pockets of the installers.
I can confirm the same, as approximately 2 years ago I installed an Air to Air ASHP at our home myself, which does not qualify for the BUS grant, but since the equipment and materials (excluding my labour) came to less than £1000, not getting a grant was of little consequence. My primary objective was to better utilise the excess electricity generation from our 4kW solar PV system, and in so doing reduce our overall gas consumption by something in the order of 50%. As I write this, our home is being heated completely by solar energy, which has been the case since approximately 8 am today, and will probably continue to do so until after midnight.
Even during Spring and Autumn there is a great deal of solar energy available, we human's just need to get much better at capturing and utilising it in the most efficient manner.
I look forward to your reply.
Regards,
Derek.
Currently viewing this topic 4 guests.
- 27 Forums
- 2,758 Topics
- 64.9 K Posts
- 1,613 Online
- 7,162 Members
Join Us!
Installer Finder
Degrees of Separation
Latest Posts
-
RE: Where heat loss surveys seem to go against practical reality
I am amazed that there is not something out there to me...
By JamesPa , 2 hours ago
-
RE: Next steps on my ASHP journey: Radiators and Pipework
@bobflux The hydraulic simulator is very interesting...
By Rob of York , 8 hours ago
-
RE: 7kW EV Charger Options Advice
Thanks. Yes, we have patchy 4G. The only option we had ...
By Rusty , 13 hours ago
-
-
RE: Being screwed over by Volkswagen Audi Group
Thanks, @batpred. That integration is the one I have in...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 1 day ago
-
RE: How Accurate Is My DIY Heat Loss Calculation?
@batpred I suspect it will be more this year. I had 9 ...
By AndrewJ , 1 day ago
-
RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?
@jamespa It's rusting 🙂
By tomasmcguinness , 1 day ago
-
RE: Glass lined Cylinder for private water supply
Thank you, once again, for your replies. Yes...
By ian33a , 1 day ago
-
It’s been out a few days and Amazon has already attache...
By Mars , 1 day ago
-
RE: Missing flow temperature in Heat Geek proposal
Yes, and this is another point I agree. We did find a f...
By Batpred , 2 days ago
-
RE: Problems with sizing a replacement for a Viessmann Vitocal 200-S
A very good point. In effect, the DHW pipework is an em...
By cathodeRay , 2 days ago
-
RE: Solar Power Output – Let’s Compare Generation Figures
@tim441 Here are those same three month periods for 202...
By Toodles , 4 days ago
-
RE: Adding additional Solar Panels to a DC coupled battery system
@transparent thank you for your reply above. As alway...
By Old_Scientist , 5 days ago
-
RE: Adventures in heat loss calculations
@rob-of-york — thanks for posting this, all very useful...
By cathodeRay , 6 days ago




