Posted by: @etchedpixels

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@majordennisbloodnok Unfortunately there's a rather more sinister game being played under the surface. Mandating a UK specific special magic set of software allows vendors to segment off the UK and massively up prices versus the rest of the world because there's no import competition.

That's very different to "for some reason my dishwasher has a wifi app"

A game indeed.

What you say is true, but it's also true that so far manufacturers have been doing their level best to remain proprietary. If we want inverters, batteries, electric cars, heat pumps and so on acting as one cohesive whole we need some independent standards. That doesn't mean creating as you put it a "magical set of software" but simply putting pressure on all kit having some minimum level of playing nice with the outside world as a standard. How that all plays out in practice will be interesting to see.

Posted by: @transparent

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Neither of those costs is likely to be offset by another country paying to buy-in to this new UK Standard

Why on earth do we arrogantly create such standards given that we are a tiny market.  Isn't that what the EU (representing a sufficiently large market that it might make sense to create standards) is for?

Posted by: @transparent

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During the DESNZ Public Consultations on SSES, they suggested that Britain would sell or license this Demand Flexibility mechanism to other countries. I can't see how DESNZ expects that to happen. If any other country did want to implement such a system, the HP Manufacturers could simply supply them with the same variant which they'd created for the UK.

The problem here will be low take-up of the Demand Flexibility option. The Elexon operational costs will still need recouping from everyone else's bills.

Moreover the Manufacturers can charge more for a HP which contains the remote control mechanism.

Neither of those costs is likely to be offset by another country paying to buy-in to this new UK Standard.

This talk of licensing it elsewhere is comical, were we not paying for it. 

This exceptionalism is usually just a more easily acceptable form of protectionism..

@batpred ‘My Johnny is the only one in step - all the others should get into step with him!’

Posted by: @jamespa

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Why on earth do we arrogantly create such standards given that we are a tiny market.

The Government sees itself as the "honest broker", and in a good position to define standards.
British Standards are still attractive to Whitehall.

A week ago the PM has put us at the forefront of defining regulatory guidance for AI development nationally.
BBC News online stated that this was to be the focus of our presidency of the G20 next year:

Well, glad we got that sorted.

Posted by: @toodles

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@batpred ‘My Johnny is the only one in step - all the others should get into step with him!’

I prefer the apocryphal 1930s headline from the Times. "Fog in the Channel. Europe cut off".

It's not the arrogance of trying to be contrary; it's the arrogance of not even realising other viewpoints might be available.

@majordennisbloodnok Best we keep that trident well polished then.

Posted by: @transparent

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BBC News online stated that this was to be the focus of our presidency of the G20 next year

Yes, energy seems less of a priority, even if the cost of living issues are so much about lack of coordinated energy policy. 

And of course that, in the past, there was no such need to try to use the G20 for business things and to influence.

Having seats at all the tables was a much better way to be heard. 

I guess our neighbours have a working AI act that others also need to use. 

Posted by: @transparent

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The feature which manufacturers need to add to heat-pumps for sale in the UK is one which allows it to be remotely turned off/on, but without the capability for it to be bypassed.

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During the DESNZ Public Consultations on SSES, they suggested that Britain would sell or license this Demand Flexibility mechanism to other countries. I can't see how DESNZ expects that to happen. If any other country did want to implement such a system, the HP Manufacturers could simply supply them with the same variant which they'd created for the UK.

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Moreover the Manufacturers can charge more for a HP which contains the remote control mechanism.

The irony is there's already an established international approach, if not full standard, for basic "smart" control of heat-pumps, in the form of the smart grid ready inputs "SG Ready" that many heat-pumps already have built in. 2 binary inputs / 4 states, which allow the heat-pump's power consumption to be controlled to provide demand-side response. Many heat pumps being installed in the UK are already SG Ready.

I've not read the latest DESNZ policy pronouncements in detail, but the logical and internationally aligned approach would be for the UK to get in-line with the rest of Europe and many countries world-wide, support the "SG Ready" capabilities, and integrate these into the UK by establishing some local UK infrastructure to provide the basic, binary signaling to use the " SG Ready" functions built into the heat-pumps. It also needs backing up with some requirements for installers to commission them. That's the glaring hole in UK policy, we're fitting heat pumps with many having these capabilities, but no one's put in place the national infrastructure to provide the signalling.

That's the logical approach -  heat-pumps have some basic control inputs available, and national regulators and electricity networks/operators provide the infrastructure and signaling to the heat-pump to use these capabilities, with the national organisations having a local control/signaling system that fits their own requirements and national idiosyncracies.

It also means, British made heat pumps which are manufactured to the 'SG Ready' can then be sold internationally, into any country and connected up to their national systems - signals from their national smart meters, or locally DSR providers and their control boxes, whatever is used in that particular country.

SG Ready:

WAERMEPUMPE.DE "https://www.waermepumpe.de/fileadmin/user_upload/bwp_service/SG_ready/SG_Ready_Interface_1.1.pdf"

Posted by: @temperature_gradient

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The irony is there's already an established international approach, if not full standard, for basic "smart" control of heat-pumps, in the form of the smart grid ready inputs "SG Ready" that many heat-pumps already have built in. 2 binary inputs / 4 states, which allow the heat-pump's power consumption to be controlled to provide demand-side response. Many heat pumps being installed in the UK are already SG Ready.

Yes, this is a swiss and german standard I believe, Vaillant support it.

Perhaps SG Ready can be improved, but I guess that means talking with our neighbours.. 

National Energy Foundation have published a heat pump satisfaction report based on responses from about 500 owners.

@jamespa TL;DR (well, I read as much as my eye would allow before needing a rest!) I dipped in and read the conclusions as well; from what I read, this survey very much aligns with the vibe of RHH I feel! Regards, Toodles.