Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!
Why Buffer Tanks & Low-Loss Headers Can Sabotage Your Heat Pump's Efficiency
@ch_18, welcome to the forums.
On the principle first: converting a 4-port buffer into a 2-pipe volumiser on the return is a logical step if your goal is to reduce mixing losses and improve emitter temperature consistency.
On your question about port orientation, in a true volumiser configuration (not decoupled) you’re not trying to achieve stratification in the same way as a buffer. So keeping both the emitter return and the heat pump return on the lower ports can be acceptable, provided the flow path through the vessel is continuous and you’re not inadvertently short-circuiting the top section.
In practice, like @judith alluded to, this is the more conventional way of plumbing in a volumiser.
On the pump question, a 7 kW Vaillant’s internal pump is generally capable of handling a typical single open circuit system provided the hydraulic resistance is reasonable. The fact that it’s currently circulating 1200 litres (I assume you mean system volume, not flow rate) is less relevant than the required flow rate and head. What's important here is whether, once you remove the secondary pump and decoupling effect of the buffer, the internal pump can achieve the required design flow at the actual system resistance. If it can't, you'll drown in flow errors.
🔥 Britain’s Heat Pump Shitshow
How Installing a Heating System Became a National Nervous Breakdown
Free UK shipping.
📗 Heat Pumps Explained
A Jargon-Free Guide for Homeowners
Rewritten and updated for 2027
📘 From Zero to Heat Pump Hero
🛠️ Bodge Buster
New to heat pumps?
Take the Heat Pump Fundamentals course and use INTRO50 at checkout for 50% off.
Posted by: @editorSo keeping both the emitter return and the heat pump return on the lower ports can be acceptable, provided the flow path through the vessel is continuous and you’re not inadvertently short-circuiting the top section.
Without doing some horrendous modelling, or fabricating some transparent tanks, I would think that there is quite a significant risk that the upper section is effectively short circuited if both connections are at the bottom, particularly if the erstwhile buffer tank was designed to encourage stratification.
There will be some turbulence of course, and a bit of a convection current (hopefully not much if the tank is well insulated) but not a lot really to stir it up. So personally I would go in at the top and out at the bottom even if it makes the plumbing more difficult.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
@editor Thanks for the reply. Yeah I thought in at the top, out of the bottom would be the best solution for converting to volumiser but was hoping to minimise repiping, just incase it doesn't work for example if the internal heat pump circulation pump can't cope.
If you look, I have a spare 2 ports on the left hand side of the buffer. One is about 2/3 of the way up. Would this be a better option? Or does it have to go to the top nozzle?
I have 2 circuits, both open loop. One is supplying approx 120m2 of UFH circuits and the other is supplying upstairs (2 floors) of rads? You think the pump would struggle supplying enough flow?
Thanks again
-
Hypothetical House Design
3 months ago
-
Heat pump done right first time? Installation in Kent.
4 months ago
-
Microbore heat pump installs
5 months ago
-
Hot water tank lose heat rapidly on random days
5 months ago
-
British Gas Heat Pump Installation Complaint
11 months ago
Currently viewing this topic 18 guests.
- 27 Forums
- 2,778 Topics
- 65.5 K Posts
- 2,323 Online
- 7,185 Members
Join Us!
Installer Finder
Degrees of Separation
Latest Posts
-
RE: Estimating true heat loss from twelve months of consumption data
@ian33a What size unit did you get in the end? My guess...
By scrchngwsl , 1 hour ago
-
RE: Replacing Storage Heaters with a Heat Pump in a Stone Cottage
Whenever I see the word modelled I am reminded of the t...
By cathodeRay , 1 hour ago
-
RE: Say hello and introduce yourself
@olivierm welcome to the forums and finding the right i...
By Mars , 2 hours ago
-
RE: Tesla Powerwall (2) Calibration Cycles
I’ve had two calibration cycles in the last three month...
By Davesoa , 23 hours ago
-
RE: Is This Initial Free Quote From Octopus Trusted Partner Reasonable?
@editor That's a pity, but thank you for checking. I'l...
By ltron2 , 2 days ago
-
My fifth heat pump book, Heat Pumps Explained, is out n...
By Mars , 2 days ago
-
RE: Who's your electricity provider and what's your tariff?
Just furkled Into the parameter menu. Found the master ...
By AgentGeorge , 2 days ago
-
RE: Analysis of the economics of switching to an A2W ASHP compared to other heat sources
It's interesting that Norway with a much colder climate...
By Rob of York , 2 days ago
-
RE: Review your electricity provider
Happy to add Scottish Power and the review 'dont touch ...
By JamesPa , 2 days ago
-
RE: Is it just me, or does tradesperson timekeeping and communication drive you absolutely mad?
Yes, and I would suggest likely to get worse with more ...
By Batpred , 4 days ago
-
RE: Electricity price predictions
This topic seems more suitable for this thread... I a...
By Batpred , 4 days ago
-
RE: Why are ASHP installs so expensive?
It is clearly difficult to say, there must be cases whe...
By Batpred , 4 days ago
-
RE: Panasonic Free Multi Z and Etherea Internal units.
@dgclimatecontrol Thank you for that information and re...
By Toodles , 4 days ago
-
RE: My Kronoterm Adapt 0312 ASHP is finally installed!
@editor It was serendipitous really. Both my wife and I...
By tomasmcguinness , 4 days ago




