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24/10/2025 5:11 pm  

Do you need the DHW tank as high as 50°C @egp01  ?

Have you tried running it at 45°C for a few days to see what effect it has on the COP?


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26/10/2025 9:43 am  

@transparent, that’s a bang on suggestion. 45C DHW tends to be the sweet efficiency spot for most heat pumps.


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26/10/2025 11:18 am  

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@transparent, that’s a bang on suggestion. 45C DHW tends to be the sweet efficiency spot for most heat pumps.

@editor  is that correct? My installer set DHW to 50c and suggested it remain there.  I wonder if a 5c difference will leave me with sufficient hot water. (250L tank). I might have to give it a try because my COP barely gets up to even close to 3!

 


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26/10/2025 11:38 am  

Yes, please do try it @morgan  and let us know what you find.

How long would you need to conduct such a trial in order to know the effect on COP with a reasonable level of accuracy?

Can you also say if you're running an anti-legionella cycle, and at what intervals?
That would also decrease efficiency of course, and make it unclear whether you setting the DHW down to 45°C is a 'fair test'.
There's a big difference running anti-legionella on a 250l tank and a 180l tank for example.

So many variables to consider...
... but please tell us what you can.


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26/10/2025 11:48 am  

@transparent I am running an anti-legionella cycle (60c), but I need to remember how to get to it again to see the intervals.  But that needs to remain, doesn't it?


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26/10/2025 12:05 pm  

Well it depends on what we're going to consider a 'fair test'!

Does the phrase "my COP barely gets up to even close to 3!" include operating the anti-legionella cycle?

Assuming the AL cycle consists of

  1. the ASHP taking the DHW tank to 50°C
  2. a 3kW immersion heater switching full-on until the tank achieves 60°C
  3. the immersion heater cycling off/on to maintain the 60°C for 10-mins

then that could use an enormous amount of electricity for a 250-l tank.

Depending on how well insulated is the tank and surrounding pipework, it would also take about 90-mins to complete the cycle.

See my calculations in this topic about Heat Batteries.


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26/10/2025 12:15 pm  

@transparent Yes to questions 1 to 3.  Also, yes to the phrase "my COP barely gets up to even close to 3!". It does include the anti-legionella cycle.


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