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Passiv Smart Thermostat - Help & Forum Support
Hi @will-h
After a week or running on the Haier controls, I've just hooked up the Passiv controller and setup the app.
My electric tariff isn't listed in the available options. Would it be possible to add MPAN17 with a smart meter at some point?
I've set the required hot water schedules in the eco heat setup to coincide with the end of the morning and afternoon off-peak times. Which I think should prioritise HW heating in the off-peak rate.
Just selected the single rate tarrif. I guess the only draw back at present will be the calculated bill costs being incorrect... but its the actual electricity bill which matters, so not a big deal on that front.
Thanks, Neil.
@singlespeed Good to hear it is all installed! We don't have Economy 10 tariffs in the app at the moment, but I have raised it and we will get them added in. 👍
Product Director - Passiv UK
Posted by: @will-h@singlespeed Good to hear it is all installed! We don't have Economy 10 tariffs in the app at the moment, but I have raised it and we will get them added in. 👍
Sorry @will-h . Actually I'm now planning to leave OVO in the near future, so I wouldn't bother adding the tarrif unless you want to... theres loads of them if you were to cover all the different metering areas and meters. Then GMT/BST.
@singlespeed No problem. Here is a list of the tariffs we support (which you'll have seen in the app). We see some of the best savings from the tariffs catered for EVs (eg, Octopus Go). https://passivuk.zendesk.com/hc/en-gb/articles/26385141253777-What-time-of-use-tariffs-does-the-Passiv-Smart-Thermostat-support
Product Director - Passiv UK
The useful test is whether the tariff integration actually changes heating cost without creating comfort swings. I would compare scheduled setpoints, heat-pump response time, hot-water priority and the system’s fallback behavior when the tariff API or internet connection is unavailable.
The heat capacity of some (many?) houses is pretty large, so there is a lot of smoothing. My house, for example, has a heat capacity of around 15kWh/K as determined by experiment. It has a loss of 7kW at design OAT so, even at design OAT, takes 2 hours to drop 1C if the heating is switched off completely. That offers plenty of scope for playing with set backs/set forwards to do tarrif optimization without compromising comfort.
I really must try it some day (currently I don't bother but it's easy to program a set forward and corresponding set back on my Vaillant)
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
Obviously the weather is changeable but there's a definite drop in electricity usage from the 11th when I connected the Passiv controller.
The outside air temp dropped to -1 overnight on the 16th and 18th but heating the whole house was still only equal to heating the living room prior to installing the heat pump. It looks like I switched on one of the storage heaters on the 25th October last year.
Nov, Dec and January were quite hefty usage last year and I know I'm going to use more electricity at the temperature falls more, but I'm resisting the suggestion by OVO that I need to increase my Direct debit amount from £144 to over £500 per month to break even by April 😂
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