Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!
Evaporator Temperature
Interested in hearing from others on their Heat Pump evaporator temperature just prior to a defrost. A few other bits of data might be useful. My details are:
Evaporator -23C. OAT -4C. Defrost cycle every 46 minutes. Southern England.
2024 build bungalow, Southern England, 179 m2, 14w/m2
Underfloor heating, fully open
Vaillant aroTHERM plus 3.5kW
50 litre volumiser
3.6KW solar panels
Tesla 13.5kw Powerwall
For an air-source heat pump the minimum evaporating temperature depends on the compressor design and the manufacturer’s operating envelope.
Typical minimum evaporator (saturation) temperature for R32 heat pumps
–25 °C to –30 °C which is common for modern domestic R32 ASHPs.
Note, some manufacturers restrict operation to –20 °C for efficiency and reliability reasons (reduced thermal stress).
High-performance “cold-climate” units may reach –35 °C, but these are less common in the UK/EU market.
Why the limit exists
At very low evaporating temperatures:
Suction pressure drops very low (R32 saturation pressure at –25 °C ≈ 1.7 bar abs).
Mass flow and capacity reduce sharply.
Risk of liquid floodback to the compressor during defrost increases.
Compressor discharge temperature rises significantly.
Most manufacturers provide an operating envelope showing safe combinations of suction (evaporating) and discharge (condensing) temperatures.
Rule of thumb
If the outdoor air temperature is –10 °C, the evaporator surface will usually sit around –15 to –20 °C (because it must be colder than the air to absorb heat).
This matches what owners see during winter: coils often frost at –5 to –15 °C saturation.
Hitachi Yutaki units predict defrost requirements by a combination of:
1. Outdoor coil temperature sensor
2. Ambient outdoor temperature sensor
3. Refrigerant pressure sensor
4. Runtime / algorithmic prediction
Defrost begins when both the coil temp and calculated saturation temperature indicate that the coil is at or below freezing and the system sees an expected reduction in heat-extraction efficiency.
This means the unit will sometimes enter defrost before you see thick ice, because it's detecting the early film of frost that you can’t see.
Posted by: @iaackFor an air-source heat pump the minimum evaporating temperature depends on the compressor design and the manufacturer’s operating envelope.
Typical minimum evaporator (saturation) temperature for R32 heat pumps
–25 °C to –30 °C which is common for modern domestic R32 ASHPs.
Note, some manufacturers restrict operation to –20 °C for efficiency and reliability reasons (reduced thermal stress).
High-performance “cold-climate” units may reach –35 °C, but these are less common in the UK/EU market.
Why the limit exists
At very low evaporating temperatures:
Suction pressure drops very low (R32 saturation pressure at –25 °C ≈ 1.7 bar abs).
Mass flow and capacity reduce sharply.
Risk of liquid floodback to the compressor during defrost increases.
Compressor discharge temperature rises significantly.
Most manufacturers provide an operating envelope showing safe combinations of suction (evaporating) and discharge (condensing) temperatures.
Rule of thumb
If the outdoor air temperature is –10 °C, the evaporator surface will usually sit around –15 to –20 °C (because it must be colder than the air to absorb heat).
This matches what owners see during winter: coils often frost at –5 to –15 °C saturation.
Hitachi Yutaki units predict defrost requirements by a combination of:
1. Outdoor coil temperature sensor
2. Ambient outdoor temperature sensor
3. Refrigerant pressure sensor
4. Runtime / algorithmic prediction
Defrost begins when both the coil temp and calculated saturation temperature indicate that the coil is at or below freezing and the system sees an expected reduction in heat-extraction efficiency.
This means the unit will sometimes enter defrost before you see thick ice, because it's detecting the early film of frost that you can’t see.
Thank you for the reply. I think you are saying that what I am seeing is normal (Evaporator -23C. OAT -4C. Defrost cycle every 46 minutes).
2024 build bungalow, Southern England, 179 m2, 14w/m2
Underfloor heating, fully open
Vaillant aroTHERM plus 3.5kW
50 litre volumiser
3.6KW solar panels
Tesla 13.5kw Powerwall
@trebor12345 Yes, expect defrost cycles to initiate at evaporator temperatures between -20 and -35 degC depending on refrigerant gas, plant design and application.
The cycle time is dependent more on environmental conditions, heat extraction rates (how hard the compressor is working) and forced airflow rates to the evaporator.
If you imagine a heat pump where the airflow to the evaporator is restricted in some way (caused by poor clearances between surrounding walls, evaporator fan not attaining the correct speed due to incorrect factory setup or maybe the early failure of the evaporator fan bearings) then the defrost cycle would still occur at the expected temperatures but the period between cycles would definitely decrease.
Referring now to your other post on this forum, the ice buildup on your unit does, in my experience, seem a little heavier than I would expect. Hopefully others will contradict me!
- 27 Forums
- 2,745 Topics
- 64.5 K Posts
- 181 Online
- 7,149 Members
Join Us!
Installer Finder
Degrees of Separation
Latest Posts
-
@davidb I can’t help you with contacts at Vaillant unfo...
By Mars , 58 minutes ago
-
RE: Starting Our Heat Pump Journey: 1962 build 3 bed detached house
@Ian-S, I actually think this is a pretty reasonable pl...
By Mars , 1 hour ago
-
RE: Who's your electricity provider and what's your tariff?
@toodles I invested on Miele a pair of frodge frozor wh...
By AgentGeorge , 5 hours ago
-
RE: Flushing system, cleaning and inhibitor
Flush and fill all complete. Octopus kindly gave us a...
By Old_Scientist , 5 hours ago
-
RE: Wood burner with ASHP - direct air?
For what it's worth I installed a wood burner in this o...
By BlizzardGreen , 6 hours ago
-
RE: Do I add Air Con or MVHR to existing A2W ASHP?
I think I saw a diagram for an exhaust air dhw tank wit...
By JamesPa , 1 day ago
-
RE: Indevolt Batteries UK Support & Info Thread
Thanks, however that's an answer to a subtly different ...
By JamesPa , 3 days ago
-
RE: Solar Power Output – Let’s Compare Generation Figures
@toodles Such elegant symmetry. look at my lumpy bag of...
By Papahuhu , 4 days ago
-
RE: PV and battery long payback - sense check query
Quite probably not, but you can get a 32A relay and a S...
By JamesPa , 4 days ago
-
I don't notice mine defrosting, and most of the time Im...
By JamesPa , 5 days ago
-
RE: Do I need to change the control unit when replacing my Ecodan Air Source Heat Pump
Kind of you, @calumm, but it was @f1p who did the heavy...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 6 days ago
-
RE: Electricity price predictions
2. As EV ownershp increases it'll certainly increase de...
By EtchedPixels , 6 days ago



