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Seplos Mason DIY Kit - Ancillaries - Advice

 
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 HughF
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20/12/2023 12:04 pm  

@makia2023 I hooked up the cell monitoring lines before connecting the B+ cable (circled red) from the pack to the BMS. After about 2 mins I noticed the telltale smell of hot conformal coating coming from the area around the balance resistors (circled green).

Seplos V3 has the shunts in the -ve bus, unlike V2 which had a separate shunt onboard in the +ve bus, hence the need for a bat+ sense wire.

The BMS powers up fine but it reads 0mV for all the cell voltages. It reads the pack voltage correctly however.

I think I'll order a replacement from fogstar, I could swap my batrium over from my 9.6kWh pack, but it's very much not reliable, and it would be some work to make it all fit.

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2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.

My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.


   
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20/12/2023 12:08 pm  

@hughf - balance resistors ... in an active balancer model?

What are they doing there?


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20/12/2023 12:13 pm  

@transparent The seplos v3 is the standard passive balancing BMS, their 'active balancer' is a separate unit that connects via an additional harness, directly to the cells. It is non-programmable, and works at any cell voltage >3V, when there is a 50mV delta.

It's generally considered to be 'a bit junk', as it's not programmable and can't be enabled only at >3.45V/cell.


Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.

My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.


   
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Topic starter 20/12/2023 2:24 pm  

@misterb Ive got a 60w tube heater hooked up to a temp control plug. I will insulate and keep at around 18 C over winter.



   
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20/12/2023 3:01 pm  

@Transparent - as it will be set low AND should be fed using the electricity from the battery, then i thought it was a reasonable option, especially if i insulated the heating pad and rear of the Seplos with a couple of inches of celotex or similar.

 

@Makia2023 - i did consider something similar but decided against it as i wanted to stop the battery from dropping below charging levels, as opposed to heating the immediate are its in.

 

 



   
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21/12/2023 7:32 pm  

New bms delivered today from fogstar, all installed and up and running 👍

 

Now to find that 3kW charger I’ve got somewhere….


Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.

My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.


   
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Topic starter 21/12/2023 7:51 pm  
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Installed and working.....but CT clamp isn't registering !!!!



   
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21/12/2023 8:41 pm  

Expand that comment please @makia2023

The full SunSynk diagram of all possible configurations has three CTs on it. 🙄 

I'm going to assume that you're referring to the one which connects to positions 5 & 6 on the Inverter, and has the clamp/transformer around the live feed wire between the inverter and its mcb-trip in your consumer unit.
In the manual, you probably have this diagram, and will have read the comments below and to the right:

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See also the table at the bottom of the following page.
Although it's beneath the diagram which covers installation in the USA, it's still relevant.

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What reading do you get if you disconnect the CT-clamp wires from the inverter, and use a multimeter set to ohms?


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Topic starter 21/12/2023 8:55 pm  

@transparent i appear to have put my multimeter somewhere safe.......



   
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21/12/2023 9:06 pm  

Having more than one multimeter would seem a prudent investment for someone who's just imported 64 lithium cells from China!

I have three multimeters, one 'mains tester' box and an assortment of dedicated current/voltage meters.
And yes, I have needed to use all of them simultaneously on one occasion!

I've just checked online, and Amazon have at least 50 multimeter models, auto-ranging, at less than £30 and available for delivery on Saturday!
Give yourself an 'essential' Christmas present.


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Topic starter 21/12/2023 9:08 pm  

I have a spare. I'm getting no reading from either my old or new ct clamp with it. Any thoughts?



   
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Topic starter 21/12/2023 9:10 pm  

I'm tempted to run another cat 6 cable separately and see if that works. But will be a tomorrow thing. I'm stumped.

It should definitely see the grid load regardless of battery system/solar right?



   
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