@jamespa I’m less inclined to believe the shift of taxes onto electricity was to cripple the transition as unintended consequences. There’s plenty of evidence on various governmental decisions that accidentally self crippling are more frequent than malice. There’s plenty c@ck-up theory of life basically.
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"To make heat pumps available to even more households, government previously consulted on different purchase options, including the possibility of leasing a heat pump with no upfront cost, but with low, monthly payments instead.
Following significant feedback to the consultation, government will continue to explore the feasibility of introducing such schemes, with further announcements to be made in due course. "
This would help those who can't afford the upfront costs and depending on the lease may well reduce the risk to many consumers of poor installs and help many budget. It is certainly something I would consider, just like not paying up front for an EV.
@transparent did you contribute to the consultation mentioned?
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How do those on low income afford to replace their gas boiler at around £2500-3000; that’s what I was quoted to replace my troublesome uninsurable 16yo Baxi 105HE.
With the BUS grant at £5k, I was quoted £3k to fit a Heat Pump, when it increased to £7k5, the quote I got for a heat pump was £2k; where did missing £1k5 go?
For me it was cheaper to install HP than replace the Gas Boiler, and with the help of PV and a battery, my running costs will be less than with Gas CHG.
The biggest improvement anyone must make before thinking about a HP is upgrade insulation in every room, ceiling, floor and walls. Im half way thru my renovation and I feel warmer in the better insulated parts of the house, the other half has unfinished wall and ceiling insulation, the lounge in particular has no ceiling as the electrics are being upgraded
How do those on low income afford to replace their gas boiler at around £2500-3000; that’s what I was quoted to replace my troublesome uninsurable 16yo Baxi 105HE.
Im guessing a fair proportion of that group are renters, so its their landlord's job. How low income home owners manage to find the money to replace a gas boiler I dont know. Loan I suppose, or savings?
How do those on low income afford to replace their gas boiler at around £2500-3000; that’s what I was quoted to replace my troublesome uninsurable 16yo Baxi 105HE.
Im guessing a fair proportion of that group are renters, so its their landlord's job. How low income home owners manage to find the money to replace a gas boiler I dont know. Loan I suppose, or savings?
Lots of interest free loans out there for gas boilers if you can get credit and you don't rent.
Depends on the definition of low income and the overall financial position.
Plenty of ways to take out loans, although can be high interest rates as I know from others in my family....
The leasing scheme for heat pumps that the government is developing could be a game changer for some but not all households who are priced out of the net zero transition.
With the BUS grant at £5k, I was quoted £3k to fit a Heat Pump, when it increased to £7k5, the quote I got for a heat pump was £2k; where did missing £1k5 go?
Agree, "inflation" is high on ASHP installations.
We found something similar with insulation as well. We had a quote for external wall insulatioin of solid walls. We then found that we had some cavity, so would need a smaller area. Still, the installer would only make a token adjustment...
The biggest improvement anyone must make before thinking about a HP is upgrade insulation in every room, ceiling, floor and walls.
Insulation always helps, heat pump or not.
In our case, the rads were sized for solid walls and a gas boiler. We subsequently did EWI. So I am hoping the heat pump install will not need rads to be upgraded..
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How do those on low income afford to replace their gas boiler at around £2500-3000; that’s what I was quoted to replace my troublesome uninsurable 16yo Baxi 105HE.
Im guessing a fair proportion of that group are renters, so its their landlord's job. How low income home owners manage to find the money to replace a gas boiler I dont know. Loan I suppose, or savings?
Lots of interest free loans out there for gas boilers if you can get credit and you don't rent.
Depends on the definition of low income and the overall financial position.
Plenty of ways to take out loans, although can be high interest rates as I know from others in my family....
The leasing scheme for heat pumps that the government is developing could be a game changer for some but not all households who are priced out of the net zero transition.
I'm not so sure.
New gas boiler £100 a month over 3 years fully paid for (with no disruption, installed within a few days of it breaking) or HP £100 a month over 10 years or maybe never even owned. I don't think many would go for a leased HP if they can't claim the BUS grant over a new gas boiler.
I can't imagine it will be appealing either to a new property occupier to have to rent your heating system.
