Posted by: @jeff

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[....] a mandatory annual check of your solar pv and batteries etc. with someone suitably qualified.

[....]I think it is only fair the cost of any check falls on the household that has the equipment installed, just like i pay for an MOT on my van. 

Do you think there's a possibility that the public might perceive this as 'an unwarranted tax' on those who trying to combat the energy crisis by exporting solar power for others to use?

It's what Sir Humphrey Appleby would call a "courageous" proposal.

There are local government elections in May.
Perhaps you could stand as a candidate on that platform.

It might be one of those issues that really resonates with the electorate...  😉 

Posted by: @transparent

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Posted by: @jeff

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[....] a mandatory annual check of your solar pv and batteries etc. with someone suitably qualified.

[....]I think it is only fair the cost of any check falls on the household that has the equipment installed, just like i pay for an MOT on my van. 

Do you think there's a possibility that the public might perceive this as 'an unwarranted tax' on those who trying to combat the energy crisis by exporting solar power for others to use?

It's what Sir Humphrey Appleby would call a "courageous" proposal.

There are local government elections in May.
Perhaps you could stand as a candidate on that platform.

It might be one of those issues that really resonates with the electorate...  😉 

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Not the sort of thing that will ever be in a election pledge. 

Also irrelevant to the vast majority of the population given the current number of people having or considering batteries. We only have circa 4% with solar PV so it will never be in any manifesto. 

I was being serious though, the risk of well intentioned DIYers etc installing dodgy systems isn't a laughing matter... You are relatively experienced but are still learning. You have mentioned before about regulation. 

It scares me that people might play with solutions with sub standard kit and designs. 

Not everyone will be as careful as you, i suspect most won't be a thorough... There will be an awful lot of not great kit people can import from China etc. 

I find it worrying personally. I don't view it as a tax. I don't view my MOT as a tax. 

Do you think the current regulations and oversight around storage in the home is sufficient @transparent? 

Interesting Octopus Outgoing doesn't need solar PV, so perhaps Octopus Flux has some flexibility? 

Yes @jeff  sometimes methinks I jest too much. But I occasionally in a few cartoons and light-hearted comments to retain the attention of others who may be browsing here amongst the technical discussions.

Coincidentally, I have just responded to a well-intentioned DIY end-user over here in a discussion on the PureDrive II storage battery.

I like the MCS approach, but it wasn't conceived as a mechanism by which export payments should be authorised. So it's bound to throw up anomalies when Energy Suppliers are required to use it to authenticate an application for SEG.

Nor do I think installers would be interested in undertaking annual MOT-style audits of pre-existing installations, certainly not for that level of remuneration (currently £55).
They have a backlog of orders to fulfil and aren't looking for additional administrative tasks.

The situation would change if house insurers required audits of course. But I think that's a long way off yet.
Step 1 would probably be a health-check for generation/storage equipment in rental properties, rather than those which are owner-occupied.

Dragging us back to the plethora of Octopus ToU tariffs which are emerging, there is a likelihood of these instigating an upsurge in home-owners looking for storage solutions.

However, that might not be matched by an equivalent level of interest in export potential.

What I'm reading into Octopus' Flux Tariff is that they have calculated levels of payment from which they can deduce the public appetite to receive income from exporting electricity.
They're obviously not able to create a mathematical model based solely on the meagre amounts payable under the SEG alone (5p per kWh). 🤔 

Octopus, and other Energy Suppliers, would clearly prefer to buy-in electricity from their customers during times of peak demand, rather than leave themselves exposed to the higher rates and speculation of the European Wholesale Market.

If the general public were more aware of mechanisms for electricity storage with zero export, then that's what I think they'd opt for.

It's the lack of knowledge which holds back that market.

Posted by: @jeff

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Interesting Octopus Outgoing doesn't need solar PV

Pedantry alert.

Octopus state that they require MCS certification of the system. The MCS front-page does not mention EV chargers, so I am not sure how one could used Octopus Outgoing with an EV to charge off-peak and discharge on-peak.

I also suspect there is some level of flexibility, although I'd be wary of making large purchases based on the electricity supplier's whim.

@transparent 

Agreed, i don't think an MCS (or equivalent) accredited company would be interested in cheap MOT audits right now, perhaps ever, simply because of their other demand on installations

It could be an electrician could be trained to do an electrical safety audit of a battery setup and check if anything obvious had been swapped or anything was dodgy. This would be a larger cohort of people. They would not have to be as experienced as an MCS company. We manage it with MOT testers. We have very few home batteries in the UK so that might not need many people now. The price point is interesting, but it is what it is, safety isn't free. 

Rented property would be good in the same way we have gas safety checks for £45 from some companies. Not mandatory but Electrical Safety Checks on domestic properties start at around £69.

I appreciate i am perhaps being unrealistic... the DIY market does fell a bit wild west though at times. Perhaps it is such a small cohort of people, it shouldn't be a priority. 

Anyway i doubt anyone would take forward my idea 😊

Hi, if you have a FlexiOrb certificate for your solar installation simply attach that instead of the MCS

I did ... and with the help of an email to smart@octopus.energy 😁

Question.

I have just moved to this this tariff. I would like to compare this to Agile import and export as I can shift my main usage of electricity.

Unfortunately I could not look up previous data on daily prices for some reson. It just doesn't work. If some could put here a screen grab of let's say last week's prices. I would relly appreciate that. This way I can have a little look at the numbers for outgoing and importing half hour tariffs and see if this would be better for me than the flux. I hope this makes sense.

Thanks again Andris

@andris try

https://mysmartenergy.uk/Flux/Southern-England

most tariffs and areas there

Posted by: @andris

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Question.

I have just moved to this this tariff. I would like to compare this to Agile import and export as I can shift my main usage of electricity.

Unfortunately I could not look up previous data on daily prices for some reson. It just doesn't work. If some could put here a screen grab of let's say last week's prices. I would relly appreciate that. This way I can have a little look at the numbers for outgoing and importing half hour tariffs and see if this would be better for me than the flux. I hope this makes sense.

Thanks again Andris

https://energy-stats.uk/download-historical-pricing-data/

This.is the page that doesn't work for me. Can u take a screen shot of agile for me please.

@jeff thanks I tryed both but don't work unfortunately. I just need I day of outgoing and incoming tariff recently. So if u would be so kind to take a creen shot that would be enought for me. Thanks.