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ok now i had some cold days i think i can safely say i have an issue with either the heat pump or the install.
im getting as low as 2.4 scop for heating while getting maybe 2.8 for hot water.
this has been an issue since install. the hot water cycles always beat the heating.
i cant see any massive cycling going on ive tried dropping the wc curve and it seems to have very little effect on the scop. last setting i had which it seemed to struggle with was 0.4.
ive now let Havenwise have a go at sorting it.
all the rads are getting warm and the hot water gets upto temp. what i have noticed before letting Havenwise control it was the flow temp would rarely get above 33c yet bad scop.
Posted by: @adamkok now i had some cold days i think i can safely say i have an issue with either the heat pump or the install.
im getting as low as 2.4 scop for heating while getting maybe 2.8 for hot water.
this has been an issue since install. the hot water cycles always beat the heating.
i cant see any massive cycling going on ive tried dropping the wc curve and it seems to have very little effect on the scop. last setting i had which it seemed to struggle with was 0.4.
ive now let Havenwise have a go at sorting it.
all the rads are getting warm and the hot water gets upto temp. what i have noticed before letting Havenwise control it was the flow temp would rarely get above 33c yet bad scop.
Are you able to post any graphs?
Unless its cycling or defrosting it should be achieving (at the heat pump) a COP close to spec. Defrost can cripple COP if it happens too frequently or goes too deep, and looking at the graph of FT might reveal whats happening. My current 24hr COP as reported by the heat pump is 3.2 (and falling, not surprisingly, it will go sub 3 I suspect), its defrosting irregularly but not more than every couple of hours
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
I might try a wipe and re install of Home Assistant to see if I can get the power info to show. Was going to put it on a RPI 3B I have but it won't work as too old.
I've got an old laptop I could use. Is there a bare metal install I could use maybe? Or some decent places I can get support on it. I've asked on a couple of HA Facebook groups but silence. I can see the values in the states page in the firmware version right hand box, which seems odd, but doesn't let me add it as a history or tab.
Posted by: @adamkWas going to put it on a RPI 3B I have but it won't work as too old.
Mine is running on a 3B, albeit one with the official power supply.
The power info is currently flaky (known issue with the integration) but you can learn almost everything from flow temp which is solid. Defrost should be visible and cycling too in the ft data.
I don't know about bare metal ha on a laptop tbh. You would need to check the site.
As a quick check - in the app, status, arotherm plus what are the running hours and on off cycles?
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
@jamespa there is data for hrs and on/off cycles. But since switching to Havenwise that Vaillant app status page doesn't seem to be updating. Until around Monday it was about 600hrs and 800 on off .
Not great. Average run time < 1 hour. Suggests cycling on thermostat or due to oversize. However not that many hours either, when was it fitted?
It really would be good to look at an ft plot if it's still available, but it maybe havenwise highjack the feed.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
Posted by: @jamespaNot great. Average run time < 1 hour. Suggests cycling on thermostat or due to oversize. However not that many hours either when was it fitted?
It really would be good to look at an ft plot if it's still available, but it maybe havenwise highjack the feed.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
@jamespa ive just pulled the flow temp from the Havenwise data, as im at work so cant spin up Home Assistant. its only a few days and the first few days were where it was in its learning phase. it certainly likes higher flow temps. still getting the same scop more or less, which is what i dont get, if im running effectively a higher curve it should lower the scop not keep it nearly the same.
@jamespa i seem to remember someone when i was digging for info on rad balancing saying they were having trouble as the Vaillant seems to want to control to Delta of 2.5 not 5. im guessing its doing this by controlling the circulation pump speed up and down.
Posted by: @adamk@jamespa i seem to remember someone when i was digging for info on rad balancing saying they were having trouble as the Vaillant seems to want to control to Delta of 2.5 not 5. im guessing its doing this by controlling the circulation pump speed up and down.
Possibly. I haven't yet worked out what Vaillant do with water pump speed as I can't monitor it and don't have a reason to care. Why is it a 'problem'
Yes I expect the spike is recovering from defrost. Mine seems to go to 100% compressor modulation for 5-10mins after defrost.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
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