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14Kw Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP

RE: 14Kw Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP

Justin · 2021-11-06T21:30:06Z

Hi 🙂 We bought our house in June & are still getting ourselves properly organised. The house was built circa 2000, & met all the required standards & insulation specs of the time. It's fully double glazed & appears to hold its heat well, so it looks like the insulation does what it's supposed to. Last week we had a 14Kw Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP installed feeding a genuine Mitsubishi 300l cylinder. We went with Stelrad K2 & K3 radiators throughout. That system went live a couple of days ago. Our old radiator system had bits of microbore, which the ASHP installers removed, so we now have the original 28mm flow & return pipe system with 15mm pipes running out to each radiator (I watched them do each one, so it is all as it was supposed to be). The guys are coming back this Thursday to fit our PV system. It is going to be twelve JA Solar 320W Mono panels with SolarEdge P505 Optimisers and a SolarEdge 3680W inverter. For some reason the ASHP system also has a Honeywell T3R thermostat connected to it, even though it also has the MelCloud WiFi module & the MelCloud app live & running at the same time. I'm currently working out how to efficiently configure my Ecodan, as it used 60Kwh of electricity on day 1 & 56Kwh on day 2. OK, the house had had no central heating during the installation period & was absolutely baltic when we finally fired everything up. Today, the temperature seems to have stabilised, it's now comfortably warm, & it looks like I'll have only used around 40Kwh. I'm going to keep on closely monitoring it by checking my Smart Meter morning & evening - I was supposed to have an EMP2 fitted on my Ecodan system, but it isn't there yet. TBH, I would prefer an EMP3 with the full MMSP payments on my RHI, but that's still under negotiation with my suppliers.

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08/11/2021 10:02 am

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@batalto, we also asked for ours to remain in the utility room cupboard (where it’s always roasting) to replace the old controller. What irks me though is that instead of taking the easy option, the installers should should have advised us to place the controller outside the cupboard, or quite easily on the other side of the way in the main living area which would have given us more options going forward. They’re all small things that have an impact on the efficiency of the system.

Are their wireless rather than wired controllers for some heat pumps?

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08/11/2021 10:21 am

@jeff

Mitsubishi can supply a wireless remote controller as an optional extra.

For other manufacturers you would need to check their website.

It also may be possible to install a wired or wireless temperature sensor, rather than a full controller.

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08/11/2021 10:32 am

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@jeff

Mitsubishi can supply a wireless remote controller as an optional extra.

For other manufacturers you would need to check their website.

It also may be possible to install a wired or wireless temperature sensor, rather than a full controller.

Thanks. Would seem like a useful thing to invest in at the start for future flexibility assuming the extra cost isn't huge.

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Topic starter 08/11/2021 11:24 am

@derek-m

Helpfully, it does a quick-view summary of the current month (I pressed F4 once, pressing again allows you to drill down into the data). If you go deeper into the menu system, it gives you the exact same figures. TBH, I think that my figures are not fully representative because of the energy that it took to bring my house back up to a liveable temperature & get everything started, but these are the figures that it gives:

Consumed electrical energy: 71Kwh
Delivered energy: 352Kwh

Coefficient of Performance (COP) = Delivered/Consumed

My Current COP = 352/71 = 4.96

What are reasonable COP figures?

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08/11/2021 11:36 am

@justinsb

Ouch!

Retrofitted 11.2kw Mitsubishi Ecodan to new radiators commissioned November 2021.
14 x 500w Monocrystalline solar panels.

2 ESS Smile G3 10.1 batteries.
ESS Smile G3 5kw inverter.

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Topic starter 08/11/2021 11:38 am

Further to the talk of thermostats & Temperature Sensors, I also have a wireless Honeywell T3M Programmable Thermostat jacked into the system. This would appear to be massive overkill, & seems to want to try & control the entire system itself - which obviously I don't want. Is it possible to "disable it" so that it doesn't try to take over?

From reading the above comments, it would appear that all I actually need is a (potentially wireless) Mitsubishi temperature sensor, rather than an additional, stand alone central heating controller? I do, after all, have a rather expensive Mitsubishi system with a built-in, cloud based app run controller that is doing it all for me already...!

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08/11/2021 12:05 pm

@justinsb,

if it's wired up like mine, all the thermostat does is call for heat when the room temperature drops below its set temperature. The ASHP starts up and pumps water round at a temperature as defined by your weather compensation curve and when the room temperature reaches the thermostat's set temperature, the thermostat stops calling for heat and the ASHP stops. And repeat ...

The ASHP doesn't 'know' the room temperature. If you want to let Mitsubishi control the system using room temperature, you need to ditch the 3rd party thermostat and, as you say, get a Mitsubishi wireless one, a temperature sensor or you can use the main controller but you'd neet to locate it somewhere sensible (i.e. not in the airing cupboard). I assume if you do any of these, the Mitsubishi controller does something cleverer than just turn the ASHP off and on. I think (I don't know) it will move the weather compensation curve around or otherwise adjust the flow temps to get to the set room temp.

To remove tour wireless thermostat permanently you'd need to disconnect it from the controller but temporarily you could just set it on manual and turn the temp up to 30. That's what I've done.

The diferent options are explained on page 15 of the FTC6 manual

https://library.mitsubishielectric.co.uk/pdf/book/Ecodan_FTC6_PAC-IF071-3B-E_Installation_Manual_BH79D843H02#page-1

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Topic starter 08/11/2021 12:10 pm

@morgan so you figures give:

COP = 466/175 = 2.66

How is your setup different from mine? Is there a forum page here that describes what you've got?

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08/11/2021 12:15 pm

@justinsb

I’ve got much the same as you apart from mine is an 11.2kw Ecodan. It was only commissioned last Tuesday but it’s roasting here hence playing with settings. It appears the room stat doesn’t communicate because the heating just keeps going. To stop it I have to power it off at night. Still awaiting a call back from the installer.

Retrofitted 11.2kw Mitsubishi Ecodan to new radiators commissioned November 2021.
14 x 500w Monocrystalline solar panels.

2 ESS Smile G3 10.1 batteries.
ESS Smile G3 5kw inverter.

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Topic starter 08/11/2021 12:26 pm

@morgan blimey, that doesn't sound good. Best of luck. I'm waiting for my installers to come back in a couple of days to wrap up the Solar & do the last bits of my ASHP, so I hope that I can get my stuff fixed up too.

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08/11/2021 12:28 pm

@justinsb

Like you I have a third party wireless room stat. Heatmiser neo Air V2-M.

Retrofitted 11.2kw Mitsubishi Ecodan to new radiators commissioned November 2021.
14 x 500w Monocrystalline solar panels.

2 ESS Smile G3 10.1 batteries.
ESS Smile G3 5kw inverter.

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08/11/2021 12:31 pm

@morgan,

why don't you move the weather compensation curve down (the big zero) to lower the temperature? That's what I'm doing as I've turned my thermostats right up so they are always calling for heat and the ASHP is always on.

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