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Are We Sleepwalking Into Another Race to the Bottom?

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(@temperature_gradient)
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For minimal disruption and systems which are more affordable, and so likely to be more sellable, I wonder if there needs to be more pragmatism and allow options like hybrid heat pumps, using the kind of add-on heat-pump systems that are used in the Netherlands. 

If you look at the installation details for these, they're pitched as essentially leaving the existing heating and hot water system untouched, installing a small indoor unit next to the boiler and tying it into the central heating flow and return and boiler controls, installing the outdoor unit and some small-bore refrigerant plumbing between the two. Typically these cut gas usage in the 50-80% range, depending on the property, lifestyle etc for what seems minimum disruption and with a much quicker install.

They're not perfect, there's still some gas usage, but they seem a more viable approach to fit out millions of homes than the current heat-pump approach. 



   
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Majordennisbloodnok
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There may be times when that’s necessary, @temperature_gradient, but it won’t get the BUS grant and so won’t be cheaper to the customer. I also think, purely subjectively, that the need for hybrid systems is far lower than most boiler installers would think or lead us to believe.

A point worth considering, though.


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105 m2 bungalow in South East England
Mitsubishi Ecodan 8.5 kW air source heat pump
18 x 360W solar panels
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1 x Myenergi Zappi
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Posted by: @majordennisbloodnok

I also think, purely subjectively, that the need for hybrid systems is far lower than most boiler installers would think or lead us to believe.

A point worth considering, though.

Also it embeds a complex system, almost taking the homeowner down a blind alley.

I must admit to toying with a hybrid, but then coming to my senses.  its just mad to maintain two systems for the same job imho.

I have almost the same view of some hybrid cars.  The ones where the traction is electric and there is a petrol generator I can understand, this has existed in the rail industry for decades.  At least it simplifies the drive train. However some hybrids appear to have the full fossil drive train with an electric motor bolted onto the gearbox.  Really?


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4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.


   
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