Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!
Why does an ASHP provide a more comfortable environment than a gas boiler?
A bit more info. The Cosy App has the Target Temp to reach, and an internal temp measured by the Primary Pod sensor positioned somewhere in the house, just like a traditional thermostat. The Cosy Controller will use that to turn on/off the heat pump as required, just like a thermostatically controlled system. This is what seems to be happening even with the Flow Temperature control set to Weather Compensation. The current values for the WC curve endpoints are 36C for Hot Weather Flow Temperature (at 12c) and 57c for Cold Weather Flow Temperature (at -10c.) I am led to understand that the WC curve is linear between these two points.
From discussion elsewhere it would seem that it is currently controlled by the Primary Pod sensed temperature as the Cosy 9 has no problem putting out a flow temperature that can reach the requested 22c. What I should do is whack that required temperature up to, say, 28c (accurately - a temp the heat pump can't reach), which will prevent the Controller turning the heat pump off. Then the temperature in the house can be controlled by careful adjustment of the WC end point temperatures. As the water flow and return temperatures start to reach the dT (is that 5c on a Cosy 9??) then the flow temperature will be maintained by the Heat Pump (based on outside temperature NOT inside temperature), energy usage reduces, and the system stays on, ticking over. If at that point, the internal temp is 23c I can tweak down/up the WC curve endpoints to bring it closer to the temperature I want. Clearly requires the system to be properly balanced.
I'm away for a couple of weeks, back in mid-October, so at that point I may well try some fine adjustments based on this approach. I certainly wish that Octopus would explain this properly in their help because it's quite confusing when you have an expectation in mind and an actuality that is different! I still have my fingers crossed that I don't have some serious explaining to my wife to do - this whole thing started because our old gas system just couldn't keep the house comfortable.
It sounds to me like you are onto the correct approach.
If the app/pod acts like a traditional thermostat then the right thing to do is indeed to turn it above the desired level, then use WC to adjust the house temp (balancing radiators if necessary).
Make small changes to WC at say daily intervals, to allow the house to stabilise in between. It took me a couple of weeks tweaking to get the optimum value but once done its done more or less for good. You shouldn't have to explain anything to your wife, its just a process of tweaking which, because the house responds slowly, inevitably takes a bit of time.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
Posted by: @jamespaYou shouldn't have to explain anything to your wife, its just a process of tweaking which, because the house responds slowly, inevitably takes a bit of time.
It was more of a "Why does this house still have cold rooms when we've just spent £6.5k?" sort of explanation! She wouldn't be interested in the tweaking.
Posted by: @andrewjPosted by: @jamespaYou shouldn't have to explain anything to your wife, its just a process of tweaking which, because the house responds slowly, inevitably takes a bit of time.
It was more of a "Why does this house still have cold rooms when we've just spent £6.5k?" sort of explanation! She wouldn't be interested in the tweaking.
Balancing the emitters is the key to that, although the sharing of heat between rooms plus always on philosophy helps also.
4kW peak of solar PV since 2011; EV and a 1930s house which has been partially renovated to improve its efficiency. 7kW Vaillant heat pump.
Posted by: @jamespaBalancing the emitters is the key to that, although the sharing of heat between rooms plus always on philosophy helps also.
Actually, I think the issue is the different rate of heat loss of rooms when the system is on/off. If the heating doesn't stay on long enough to bring a room up to temp or it gets to temp but loses heat too quickly - because the area with the thermostat warms up quickly/cools down slowly - no amount of balancing will work because you just can't maintain enough heat surely. It's the main reason why I swapped for an always on system and why I will run it without set back: balancing in this scenario, as you have said amongst all your other great advice, is essential to even out any temperature differentials between rooms.
- 26 Forums
- 2,725 Topics
- 63.8 K Posts
- 1,718 Online
- 7,126 Members
Join Us!
Installer Finder
Degrees of Separation
Latest Posts
-
So this is for today. The blue line shows the drain to...
By trebor12345 , 3 minutes ago
-
RE: HeatGeek vs Octopus surveys: puzzling disparity - any ideas why?
If you know the room heat losses for each of the rooms ...
By Temperature_Gradient , 47 minutes ago
-
RE: Who's your electricity provider and what's your tariff?
Many thanks. Good info
By peterackstraw , 3 hours ago
-
@editor — it was a not very well implemented so far as ...
By cathodeRay , 3 hours ago
-
RE: Microgeneration Certification Scheme (MCS)
@jamespa A cynical view but, I fear that it is a fair ...
By Toodles , 3 hours ago
-
RE: Jokes and fun posts about heat pumps and renewables
... except that the legal notice (part of which was rep...
By JamesPa , 4 hours ago
-
RE: Heat Pump Servicing & Maintenance – Good Value or Rip-Off?
@old_scientist if you are going DIY then you may wan...
By Papahuhu , 2 days ago
-
RE: Indevolt Batteries UK Support & Info Thread
After a short while that was followed by the 'power war...
By JamesPa , 2 days ago
-
RE: Samsung heat pump - data cable issue
That's well done. Cable is the correct type (LIYCY = 2x...
By bobflux , 3 days ago
-
RE: Electricity price predictions
I agree, we will find out at the next budget whether th...
By Old_Scientist , 3 days ago
-
RE: Missing flow temperature in Heat Geek proposal
@editor I went through HG website, so should be ok for ...
By sttpd1917 , 3 days ago
-
RE: Air to air bus grant installer anywhere
The through wall two hole ones have their place (listed...
By EtchedPixels , 3 days ago
-
I hope it goes ok, Hon can be hard to set up IF the sof...
By Graham Hendra , 3 days ago
-
@clockworks Hi, So there is a big difference between st...
By ASHP-BOBBA , 3 days ago
-
@editor wellvery comprehensive answer. I will get all i...
By Keithb , 3 days ago




