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(@marvinator80)
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Hi folks, not been on for a little while but thought I’d share an experience I’ve found interesting. 

recently I got an EV and had an EV charger installed. This allowed me to get Octopus Intelligent Go with the 7p overnight rate. Great, I thought, this will be good for the ASHP too in Winter. 

So I started asking Chat GPT (Plus) to look at my overall infrastructure and make recommendations for improvement. I uploaded the manuals for everything I had and it got to work. 

My scenario was this:

9 year old house.
410sqm, 350sqm heated.

Underfloor heating downstairs/rads upstairs

250L Grant Water cyclinder 

13KW Grant Aerona ASHP
3KW external volumiser/backup heater

5.46KW solar array

10KW battery storage

Eddi

EV Charger.

Last year we used 16000 kWh in Octopus Tracker at a total cost of £3532. It felt high and it was clear to me that there were issues with my renewables that I have now been able to resolve.

ChatGPT has helped me to do the following

Changes & Optimisations

• Switched to Octopus Intelligent Go (7p/kWh for 6 hours nightly)

• Enabled 10kWh battery overnight charging and solar export at 15p/kWh

• Implemented light battery arbitrage (~4kWh exported nightly in summer)

• Scheduled Eddi hot water boost (4:30–5:30am) to prevent ASHP hot water use in mornings especially in winter

• Shifted dishwasher and washing machine to overnight use

• Smart EV charging during off-peak + weekly free office top-up

• Reduced Grant Volumiser trigger from 5°C to 3.5°C (0.5°C hysteresis from 2 degrees)

• Tuned ASHP: lower heating curve (I00 01), lower flow temp (35–40°C)

• Hot water target adjusted to 48–50°C, Legionella cycle shifted to Eddi

• Optimised defrost cycle

Current Performance Projection– 10kWh Battery)

• Annual energy cost: ~£254–£374/year

• Monthly cost: ~£21–£31

• Blended energy cost: ~3.5–5.5p/kWh

• Net usage: effectively zero, only paying close to standing charge

 

I might now double my battery, do more arbitrage. But projected cost has been reduced by over £3k. We shall see!!!!


   
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Very interesting and thanks for sharing. Used correctly and thoughtfully, AI can be an indispensable tool. It comes up with angles very often that you haven’t thought of, and can save a lot time.  

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(@marvinator80)
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@editor over the last few months I have been using it for lots of things. It guided me very easily through converting the unused coax cable in my house to give me wired Ethernet capability in every room. It’s helped me fix my ride in lawnmower, even telling me there and then what parts to order (with links) and how to make the changes. I had never worked on an engine in my life! 

it’s helped me fix a LAN disconnection error on the PS5, a common fault for which there was no solution on the regular internet. Loads more as well.

It’s helped me troubleshoot PowerBI issues. i use it daily at work now, on ChatGPT basic and at first it felt like cheating but it’s actually just helping me to realise the concepts I think of much, much faster.


   
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Posted by: @marvinator80

Legionella cycle

Do you actually need to it? Have you done a risk assessment?

Posted by: @marvinator80

Implemented light battery arbitrage

Do octopus allow you to buy at low and sell at the same time at an expense rate?

You import at 7p and export at 15p. If you export all this you end up paying expensive tariff for the rest of the day if no solar, in shoulder and winter months.

You are heating cylinder on a CoP of 1 compared to a CoP of 3 from heat pump, so costs 3 times more? Have you factored in the excess electricity consumption?

Posted by: @marvinator80

Optimised defrost cycle

How do you do that?

Last time I noticed you quoted AI, it was just wrong. Have you checked the answers are remotely sensible?

Have you allowed more energy for car charging for example, immersion charging cylinder etc?

If you have a blended cost of 3.5 to 5p how is that zero cost? This isn't zero

Maxa i32V5 6kW ASHP (heat and cooling)
6.5kW PV
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(@marvinator80)
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@johnmo aye alright John. I said we shall see, didn’t I? Of course we are sceptical but AI has improved a lot and improving constantly, especially the paid versions and especially when you load the user manuals into them.

I have 2 separate tariffs with Octopus, one for import and one for export. 

I’ve made most of the changes and so far so good. I guess we’ll see in winter.

I haven’t tried the defrost settings yet as it’s not really pressing.

 

here’s what it says:

Absolutely — optimising your ASHP’s defrost cycle is a great final tweak to reduce unnecessary energy use and backup heater activation, especially on frosty mornings.

 

 

 

 

Why Defrost Optimisation Matters

 

 

  • ASHPs naturally build up frost on the coil in cold, humid conditions
  • The defrost cycle temporarily reverses the heat pump to melt the frost, which:
    • Stops space heating for a few minutes
    • Often triggers the Grant Volumiser (3kW) to kick in
  •  
  • Optimising the timing, duration, and recovery can:
    • Prevent unnecessary defrosts
    • Reduce backup heater use
    • Save £10–£30/year or more if you get frequent winter frosts
  •  

 

 

 

 

 

Grant Aerona³ Defrost Logic Overview

 

 

The system usually triggers a defrost based on:

 

  • Outdoor ambient temperature
  • Evaporator coil temperature
  • Elapsed time since last defrost
  • Running conditions (compressor status, demand)

 

 

 

 

 

Key Settings to Optimise (Installer Parameters)

 

 

You’ll typically find these in the I03 parameter group on the Aerona³ controller:

Parameter

What It Does

Suggested Setting

I03 00

Defrost interval timer (min)

20–30 min default – don’t reduce it unless your unit defrosts too often

I03 01

Defrost coil temp threshold

Consider increasing slightly (e.g. from -5°C to -3°C) so it doesn’t trigger too easily

I03 02

Max defrost duration

Keep around 5–7 minutes max

I03 03

Minimum outdoor temp for defrost

Can be left at default (~3°C) unless frost is forming prematurely

I46 13

Backup heater trigger temp

Already set to 3.5°C — excellent

I46 14

Backup hysteresis

Already at 0.5°C — perfect for quick shutoff after recovery

 

 

 

 

Practical Adjustments

 

 

 

1. Observe behaviour first

 

 

  • When does the ASHP start defrosting?
  • Does the backup heater turn on during or after?
  • How quickly does it recover?

 

 

If your home holds heat well, and your ASHP recovers without help, you may not need the volumiser at all during defrost.

 

 

 

 

2. Reduce unnecessary defrosts

 

 

  • Increase I03 01 coil temp trigger slightly
    (e.g. from -5°C to -3°C)
    → Less aggressive triggering

 

 

 

 

 

3. Limit defrost duration

 

 

  • Ensure I03 02 is capped at 5–7 minutes
    → Reduces energy used in defrost cycles

 

 

 

 

 

4. Let ASHP recover naturally

 

 

  • If your house remains warm during the brief pause, you don’t need the volumiser to step in
  • I46 13 set to 3.5°C + I46 14 to 0.5°C already prevents overuse — you’ve nailed this part

 

 

 

 

 

Bonus Tip: Watch for overactive defrosting

 

 

  • If defrosting every 20–30 minutes in winter, the coil sensor might be too sensitive
  • You can reduce frequency by adjusting I03 00 (interval timer) to slightly longer (e.g. 30 mins)

 

 

 

 

 

What You Gain

 

Benefit

Outcome

Fewer unnecessary defrosts

Less compressor and heater use

Shorter volumiser runtime

More energy saved, especially off-peak

Smoother system performance

More consistent heating output

Estimated annual saving

£10–£30/year, possibly more in frosty regions

 

 


   
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(@johnmo)
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Some strange stuff comes out of AI, hope your output is better.

To quote

Unvented Cylinder Heating: The ASHP should heat your 210L unvented cylinder at night (when it's colder outside, improving the ASHP efficiency). 

That is just garbage.

Another example

Maximize COP (Coefficient of Performance):

ASHPs are more efficient in milder conditions, so taking advantage of the colder temperatures at night (especially if there's a drop in outside temperature) may increase the COP, improving overall efficiency.

It also said all my day time energy needs would come PV, that would be nice, but not happening every day.

Maxa i32V5 6kW ASHP (heat and cooling)
6.5kW PV
13.5kW GivEnergy AIO Battery.


   
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