Joining the Renewable Heating Hub forums is completely free and only takes a minute. By registering you’ll be able to ask questions, join discussions, follow topics you’re interested in, bookmark useful threads and receive notifications when someone replies. Non-registered members also do not have access to our AI features. When choosing your username, please note that it cannot be changed later, so we recommend avoiding brand or product names. Before registering, please take a moment to read the Forum Rules & Terms of Use so we can keep the community helpful, respectful and informative for everyone. Thanks for joining!
Samsung Launches the EHS Mono HT Quiet – A High Temperature, Low Noise Heat Pump Ideal for Home and Building Renovations
@heacol thanks . I read your recent article on here with great interest, and also your linkedin post about your conference presentation, I'm waiting with bated breath for your full write up. given that you don't use buffers or plates or any form of separation, that implies to me you may have accepted a lower flow rate than that implied by (say) 16kw@DT5 (for a large older house), in which case you may be running a wider DT? I'm also really interested in your detailed thoughts on control. Do you site the heat pump's controller in a location where there is always demand? or am I leaping too far ahead and should just wait for your write up? my system is still a single loop gas boiler right now so I've all these decisions to take.
@hughf thanks, I had been zeroing in on daikin as a likely candidate as those DT settings are indeed there in the manual, and I find it one of the better written manuals. annoying that the new samsung still doesn't have a published set of manuals yet.
I really appreciate the help, any of you guys fancy installing a system in milton keynes? I'm really struggling to find an installer that I'm comfortable to give the work to. Met plenty of "plumbers" who know less about heat engineering than I do (but are far better pipework fitters) and so run away once a conversation about system design is initiated...
PWM pumps, I've been wanting to change my heat-only gas boiler's pump (grundfos alpha2) to a PWM one for ages. at fixed max speed it heats the house but is really noisy , and when demand is low the pipes resonate due to the TRV small openings. in PP3 mode its super quiet but not enough flow for the whole house on a cold day. I do manual PWM by running up there and pressing the button if its below zero...:(. I have the means of generating a PWM control signal based on heating load - evohome radiator heads running into home-assistant through ramses-RF gives me the number for % heat demand for the house (and/or for every single room) which can be mapped to a PWM level, an ESP32 board will do the hardware part - but tracking down a PWM pump (with control cable) in the uk domestic market is proving challenging for me (as far as I can tell the commonly available grundfos UPS3 is PWM capable, but no-one uses or sells the PWM parts in the UK...)
cheers
Ian
My octopus signup link https://share.octopus.energy/ebony-deer-230
210m2 house, Samsung 16kw Gen6 ASHP Self installed: Single circulation loop , PWM modulating pump.
My public ASHP stats: https://heatpumpmonitor.org/system/view?id=45
11.9kWp of PV
41kWh of Battery storage (3x Powerwall 2)
2x BEVs
@iancalderbank all you need is a pwm cable. As long as the pump has two sockets on it, it’s pwm capable.
You could even just jam 3 crimp connectors in there if you can’t get a cable.
Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.
My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.
Posted by: @iancalderbank@heacol thanks . I read your recent article on here with great interest, and also your linkedin post about your conference presentation, I'm waiting with bated breath for your full write up. given that you don't use buffers or plates or any form of separation, that implies to me you may have accepted a lower flow rate than that implied by (say) 16kw@DT5 (for a large older house), in which case you may be running a wider DT? I'm also really interested in your detailed thoughts on control. Do you site the heat pump's controller in a location where there is always demand? or am I leaping too far ahead and should just wait for your write up? my system is still a single loop gas boiler right now so I've all these decisions to take.
@hughf thanks, I had been zeroing in on daikin as a likely candidate as those DT settings are indeed there in the manual, and I find it one of the better written manuals. annoying that the new samsung still doesn't have a published set of manuals yet.
I really appreciate the help, any of you guys fancy installing a system in milton keynes? I'm really struggling to find an installer that I'm comfortable to give the work to. Met plenty of "plumbers" who know less about heat engineering than I do (but are far better pipework fitters) and so run away once a conversation about system design is initiated...
PWM pumps, I've been wanting to change my heat-only gas boiler's pump (grundfos alpha2) to a PWM one for ages. at fixed max speed it heats the house but is really noisy , and when demand is low the pipes resonate due to the TRV small openings. in PP3 mode its super quiet but not enough flow for the whole house on a cold day. I do manual PWM by running up there and pressing the button if its below zero...:(. I have the means of generating a PWM control signal based on heating load - evohome radiator heads running into home-assistant through ramses-RF gives me the number for % heat demand for the house (and/or for every single room) which can be mapped to a PWM level, an ESP32 board will do the hardware part - but tracking down a PWM pump (with control cable) in the uk domestic market is proving challenging for me (as far as I can tell the commonly available grundfos UPS3 is PWM capable, but no-one uses or sells the PWM parts in the UK...)
cheers
Ian
Just Google 'pwm cable for grundfos pumps' and you will find a selection of suitable cables on offer.
Thanks very much all! Just found the MCS link for the unit sold by Midsummer....link below for anyone else interested.
Product directory - MCS (mcscertified.com)
Gen6 SCOPs:
| @35°C | 4.55 |
| @40°C | 4.25 |
| @45°C | 3.95 |
| @50°C | 3.68 |
| @55°C | 3.40 |
New HT SCOPS:
| 35°C | 4.75 |
| 36°C | 4.69 |
| 37°C | 4.64 |
| 38°C | 4.58 |
| 39°C | 4.53 |
| 40°C | 4.47 |
| 41°C | 4.42 |
| 42°C | 4.36 |
| 43°C | 4.31 |
| 44°C | 4.25 |
| 45°C | 4.2 |
| 46°C | 4.14 |
| 47°C | 4.09 |
| 48°C | 4.03 |
| 49°C | 3.97 |
| 50°C | 3.92 |
@iancalderbank - I'm in a similar position to you in many ways: a (now retired electronics) engineer in Milton Keynes looking to replace a gas boiler in a large unconventional property. The property was built in 1990 but the boiler was subsequently replaced by a BG gas safe trained plumber. Although the system as originally installed appears to have had some weather compensation, that went out of the window along with all idea of a coherent system design. The present boiler is, I believe, over-specified, grossly inefficient and is ageing before it's time (it is ten years old). Now seems to be a good time to consider all replacement options. It's a large system comprising 18 radiators and a complex blend of pipe gauges. I'm not keen on learning another skill myself so I really need to involve a professional heating engineer who knows their onions. Have you been able to identify anyone locally who could fit the bill? I'm happy for you to message privately if you prefer.
Ian
- 27 Forums
- 2,790 Topics
- 65.9 K Posts
- 3,109 Online
- 7,194 Members
Join Us!
Installer Finder
Degrees of Separation
Latest Posts
-
The video in the link mentions a direction arrow, which...
By Singlespeed , 1 hour ago
-
RE: Cooling/heating with one unit
@rob-of-york thank you. Hadn't occurred to me that some...
By mrkfm , 4 hours ago
-
RE: Renewables & Heat Pumps in the News
Posted by: @editor I think we should make that approa...
By Rob of York , 10 hours ago
-
RE: Does anyone have experience of a smart water meter?
My neighbour received an email from Anglian Water sayin...
By AndrewJ , 11 hours ago
-
RE: Jokes and fun posts about heat pumps and renewables
Well the military is well known for going green, isn't ...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 12 hours ago
-
RE: Why are ASHP installs so expensive?
I've ripped out over 11kw of storage and panel heaters ...
By Singlespeed , 13 hours ago
-
RE: Safety study for plug in batteries out to tender - looks like Q3 2027 at best before legal
I think it may depend how much of the world is on fire ...
By EtchedPixels , 20 hours ago
-
RE: Air-to-Air Heat Pumps & Air Conditioning: UK Heating and Cooling Q&A
I hope it's not the same people who make the awful TV s...
By EtchedPixels , 20 hours ago
-
RE: Replacing Storage Heaters with a Heat Pump in a Stone Cottage
I found some interesting data about the price of heat p...
By Rob of York , 1 day ago
-
RE: PV and battery long payback - sense check query
Thanks for all the comments. I finally got to the bott...
By DavidB , 2 days ago
-
RE: Indevolt Batteries UK Support & Info Thread
People following this thread who are hoping that plug i...
By JamesPa , 2 days ago
-
RE: Passiv Smart Thermostat - Help & Forum Support
By Singlespeed , 2 days ago
-
RE: Help me keep the faith with my air source heat pump installation
just had Vaillant over to service the HP and asked abou...
By AdamK , 2 days ago
-
RE: tepeo ZEB UK Support & Info Thread
OK so ZEB is basically a variant on a storage heater, b...
By JamesPa , 3 days ago




