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(@tim441)
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@allyfish hopefully not to rodent taste too 😬

What make is the insulation?


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(@tim441)
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@editor I'll try and keep a little faith...

  • A few rough edges but nothing major

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(@old_scientist)
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I'll go with the standard grey open cell foam insulation you see indoors (as it's protected from UV), with the normal 45deg cut corners. Surely they cannot get that too wrong, can they?


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Interesting. I'll let you all decide. 

Insulation inside trunking

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What size are those plastic pipes Mars?


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@bontwoody, not big enough (an excellent spot) 😉


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(@tim441)
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@editor yep... pipe size is more of concern maybe?

Insulation can certainly be improved!


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LG Therma V 16kw ASHP
Underfloor heating + Rads
8kw pv solar
3 x 8.2kw GivEnergy batteries
1 x GivEnergy Gen1 hybrid 5.0kw inverter
Manual changeover EPS
MG4 EV


   
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Posted by: @editor

Interesting. I'll let you all decide. 

Insulation inside trunking

Not sure what we are looking at, other than evidence of an installer who says 'here is a hole, let's shove everything inio it'

 


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Mars
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Also loads of water ingress… the foamy insulation is damp, which leads to more unnecessary (and completely avoidable) heat loss. 


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My first concern is that the hole through the brickwork doesn't appear to be sleeved.

There should be an outer casing which takes the weight of the wall above.
That allows the inner pipes to move freely as they expand/contract with temperature.

To achieve that, all those existing pipes and electrical connections would need to be drawn out.

The hole should then be bored out with a TCT/Carbide core bit of an appropriate diameter for the sleeve.
You don't need diamond bits to go through brick. It's 'soft'.

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The hole needs to slop downwards to the outside at around 5°.
Any rain or condensation will then not enter the house.

 

The sort of sleeve you'd be looking for would be a 110mm orange (underground) soil pipe.

That will leave enough space for pipe insulation to continue straight through the wall.

The best person to get this right is the home-owner.
A DIY approach is preferable because you'll care about getting it right !


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Posted by: @editor

Also loads of water ingress… the foamy insulation is damp, which leads to more unnecessary (and completely avoidable) heat loss. 

And mice or other pests given the gaps.

 


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We have a lot of work ahead to get this done properly. All valid points above.


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