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Posted by: @agentgeorge

This 0.5v is stated in the instructions you linked to.

Indeed, on p.19

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That's the same page I was referring to earlier, where the connection of the power cables suggests that the battery packs are being connected in parallel.
But that still conflicts with Growatt referring to the ARK system as high voltage.

It's interesting that Growatt gives no advice to an installer as to how they should go about changing the State of Charge of a battery such that they do indeed match to within 0.5v

Given that they have their own dedicated Control Unit, and a BMS in each battery box, they could've included a feature by which that would be done automatically.

 

Posted by: @agentgeorge

last time I enquired, the cost of a 5kW pack had dropped to £1800.

So that's two more battery units, right?

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It's an expensive way of having battery storage in the home.

Most of the price is being taken up with:

  • a steel case
  • BMS for each unit
  • high-current cabling
  • installer's on-site time

... and very little on the actual LiFePO4 cells.


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Posted by: @transparent

The key issue at the moment is whether there is any voltage on the battery connections to the inverter.

Depending on whether the Growatt ARK design puts the batteries in series or parallel, I would expect to see 52v or 104v DC.

I am pretty sure he assessed both. 

What I can report is that I emailed Cahill and Growatt asking them to pay a visit and assess the battery (on warranty). No reply as yet. 

Thanks everyone for the input so far!

 



   
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@transparent yup, the cost no longer has VAT, but installer cost, for 2 people is £300-400, profit for company 50%

so battery wholesale cost is around £700 which includes the BCM and sexy magnolia metal case, oh and some big cables

High Voltage is anything over 12/24V, PV at 48/52 and Hybrid batteries 48V in cars are all covered under HV regulations for approved installers

Traction batteries at 400-800V are just plain lethal. They have batteries in series and parallel to achieve the voltages. Some cars can “fold” their batteries so an 800v architecture can look like 400v to a charging station.



   
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@agentgeorge High Voltage means different things in different circumstances; as an audio engineer, I used 48 v. DC to power microphones and this is known as ‘Phantom Powering’ but does not require high voltage warning labels etc. I also did some work for a telecomms company who required a test rig that supplied 50 v. DC for ringer circuits and this was technically referred to as High Voltage! Regards, Toodles.


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My take on it is microphones need mAmps whereas cars need Amps. although both work on 48V, one will give you a buzz, the other will launch you across the room. Hence why in cars HV wiring and connectors are orange



   
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Posted by: @agentgeorge

High Voltage is anything over 12/24V

I think that is going to cause confusion.

And for that reason I ought to state what other 'authorities' use for high/low voltage.

The UK grid operators use Low Voltage (LV) when referring to anything below 1000v AC.
That makes sense because 1000v is the rating for the insulation level on tools used by 'domestic' electricians.

1000v tools

75v AC is usually regarded as the voltage level at which you must employ an accredited electrician to work on electricity wiring and hard-wired devices within the home.
However, that value isn't stipulated in law. The regulatory view is that an electrician is required when there is a risk of danger to life.
I like that because it's based on safety rather than analysing a voltage waveform!

Below 50v (AC) or 120v (DC) is referred to as Extra Low Voltage (ELV).

ELV is further defined in specific legislation which recognises three variants

  • SELV = separated extra-low voltage
  • PELV = protected extra-low voltage
  • FELV = functional extra-low voltage

I meet all three of those categories in my work with Smart Controllers.


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