@andris 

So you have an import rate of 5.71p, but surely that’s only an overnight rate for 5 or 6 hours. Isn’t your heat pump running fir 24 hours a day?

I’ve tried running it 24/7, but it doesn’t work for me. I have a 16 kW heat pump (which I think is slightly oversized, as my house is about 250 m², but it’s a new build that I insulated myself).

The lowest setting is still too much to run 24/7. My heat pump doesn’t actually stop when it reaches the target temperature; it just keeps running at the lowest output it can, which is around 900 W of input power, plus the circulation pumps. If I let it run 24/7, it overheats the house.

So what I’ve been doing is running it only during the 6-hour cheap-rate window, but setting the flow temperature higher than I would normally need if it were running all day.

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I heat my hot water with the immersion heater, so the heat pump can focus entirely on heating the house during those 6 cheap hours.

I used to have the electric backup heater turned off on the heat pump because I didn’t need it. However, now that I need a higher flow temperature, I’ve allowed it to kick in when necessary at around 0°C outside. It’s a two-stage 2 kW + 4 kW immersion backup. I only use it to help during defrost cycles and get the temperature back up, and it’s quite rare that it’s needed because I’m in Edinburgh, right next to the sea.

We built the house ourselves and put 15 cm of Celotex insulation board under the underfloor heating. We also installed 20 mm pipe instead of the usual 16 mm.

This seems to work really well for heating the house overnight. We set the downstairs temperature to go up to 22.5°C, and it’s able to hold a very steady temperature until midnight. I’ve never seen it dip below 21°C.

Only upstairs, where we have radiators, does the heating kick in during the afternoon, usually for about 3 hours.

I hope that makes sense! 😊

@andris That sounds a very unusual way to run your system, it’s the opposite of most people. Doesn’t make much sense to me, but if that’s how’s you want to run it then fine.

I too used to live in Edinburgh and my son has just moved away from St Andrews, it gets very cold, blowy and damp in the winter. I can’t believe how only heating overnight can keep the house warm for the remaining 18hrs, seems impossible to me. I guess you do know that there are special corrosion requirements regarding warranties for running a heat pump near the coast.

@papahuhu I know, I couldn’t believe it myself! It was worth taking the time to seal every single joint on the membrane and make the house as airtight as possible. Here are some pictures of the build — it was one crazy ride! 😅

Looking back, the mistake was oversizing the machine, but now I have to work with what we have. This was in 2015, when I couldn’t even ask for help here because hardly anyone really knew what a heat pump was. My brother from Hungary brought the heat pump and installed it himself.

@andris Surely if it is truly hermetically sealed and there is no fresh cold  air coming in, doesn’t the internal air get very stale and high CO and CO2 levels if there are multiple inhabitants? I can understand how you get very low heat loss, but for a timber frame construction I don’t see where the thermal energy is stored for 18 hrs. But if it works for you that’s great. 
Have to say, I don’t miss the Lothian climate in the winter, I understand why the natives take to drink and drugs.

@papahuhu, one day, when I have a battery, if that happens, I’ll go 24/7.

For now, the concrete is the battery. I hand-mixed just over 20 tons of concrete. That’s what holds the heat. It’s a strange setup, for sure. 😀. We do have ventilation over the widows. 

@andris Octopus installed my heatpump, they recommended 8kW. I negotiated for a 6kW (nominal 5.6kW) cosy6. It barely kept the house warm last winter. Since then ive insulated every wall and ceiling, the floor already had 150mm in it. Ive still a long way to go to complete the build but i can detect a 2C difference between the finished insulated room and the one thats part done. As my HP is well matched to the heat loss of the house, it takes a long time to react to changes, so i leave it running 24/7 to do its job.

im pleased with the cosy6, its very energy conservative, i can run most of the day between cosy cheap rate periods in winter. Only when the outside temp dipped to -6C did we break out the fleeces, rather than pay for supplemental resistive heating

@agentgeorge sounds great! I think a 6kw will be my next choice for our house.

@andris So you have a heavy solid floor, that makes more sense then. Wow, it obviously works. About 8 years ago I nearly purchased the site of the old Edinburgh Uni telescope observatory and was going to build a passive house, but I decided to leave academia and migrated south towards the sun.

@papahuhu @papahuhu A lot of tears and sweat went into the house.

I've been on Octo Agile since about Dec 2024 and for the most part it's been an interesting and economical ride.  I've used My Energy Optimiser software to manage the use of my 19kWh GivE batteries and this has worked well.  But as discussed on another thread, Agile rates have been getting much less attractive recently and during the current period of low wind and solar generation, are eye-wateringly expensive even overnight.

So last week I jumped to 100Green's Smart Tide tariff.  This gives 7 hours at 7.5p , 4 hours peak at 44p and the rest at 33p/kWh.

Over the last week, I have averaged about 40kWh/day for house and ASHP, and about 26kWh of this has been at the overnight rate, charging the batteries and warming the house from 0500 - 0700.

I also have an EV that will benefit from the overnight rate which will allow running costs to be 2.5p/mile.

Of course things will get stickier in January when I usually use about 2000kWh in the month but so far so good.

PS I am stlill with Octo for the 12p export rate which I think they allow.

@downfield

Thats a decent rate, I’m shocked they hadn’t raised it, let us know what their service is like after a few months use please.

You sure you are still on OE for export? I thought they would only pay for export if you were also being supplied by them.

i would be 100% sure were it not that I too am on a technically impossible export too.