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Ecodan ASHP Low COP and Unstable Compressor Frequency

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Hi all, I’m trying to understand why my Mitsubishi Ecodan system has such a low COP. The system was installed in 2017 when the house was built but is new to me since moving in a few months ago. It heats the house well, but reported efficiency is poor, and energy usage seems fairly high. Although it has been serviced in the past, I have found many issues including blocked filter, and faulty 3-way valve. I would greatly appreciate any input on whether the behaviour I am seeing is normal or if performance can be improved.

Heat Pump Model: PUHZ-W85VHA2-BS
Controller Model: FTC5 version 15.00
Tank: Ecodan 250l pre-plumed cylinder with low loss header
Emitters: UFH downstairs, Radiators upstairs
Thermostats - All thermostats, TRVs and valves open.
HW Setpoint: 47 degrees
House Type: Well insulated modern 3 bed house built in 2017 (design temps not known)
Pump Setup: 3x pumps (Primary loop to HP, Heating system pump on other side of LLH, DHW pump on other side of DHW heat exchanger.

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What I’m Observing

• COP for heating is typically ~1.5-2, which seems low for 10°C outdoor temps.
• COP for hot water is (47°C setpoint, 250 L cylinder) is typically ~1.3, also lower than expected.
• Flow temperature constantly oscillates even with a stable target
• At low - medium load, compressor frequency cycles repeatedly between ~45 Hz and ~70 Hz, rather than settling at a stable low modulation.
• At high load the compressor will run at a stable frequency (70 - 90hz)
• No active error codes.
• Heating Flow rate (according to FTC controller):17l/m
• DHW flow rate: 14l/m

• Difference between return temp of UFH and Radiators: UFH return temp is approx 2-2.5 degrees less than RAD return temp.

 

What I’ve Tried So Far
• Cleaned the outdoor strainer (was blocked resulting in a flow rate of 6l/m)
• Flushed the system with central heating cleaner.
• Cleaned magnetic filter regularly
• Replaced the 3 way valve (which resolved leakage of hot water to radiators during DHW cycles)
• Verified flow through UFH loops via manifold flow gauges.
• Opened all radiators fully to increase system load - didn’t solve hunting.
• Adjusted radiator lockshield valves to attempt to balance radiators - didn’t resolve issue
• Reduced primary pump speed to discourage short-circuiting through the LLH - no real change observed
• Tested thermistors in outdoor unit are reporting accurately. As far as I could tell the measured resistance matched the expected values given in the Databook.
• Run the system for short periods in the morning (according to time of use tariff), and run the system for long periods (24 hrs +) to let things stabilise.

Running Examples:
I have been monitoring the system via the melcloud and melpump apps:

Medium load - (Outdoor temp 7-9 degrees)
- From 0520 - 0820 flow temp is below target temp (35 degrees) and compressor frequency is fairly stable while load is high and system aims for target.
- From 0820 - 1000 the flow temp seems to match the target temp. Flow (and delta t) stabilise and frequency appears to modulate down in steps.
- Rest of day. Compressor and flow temp fluctuating.
- Energy Use during this time (according to smart meter app): 35-40KWH (1.25 - 1KWH per hr)
- COP Heating: 2.41
- COP DHW: 1.11

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Looking at a close up between 1600 and 1720

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High Load - Outdoor temp ~-2
Observations
- Steady frequency of 92Hz
- Fairly steady increase in Flow and return temps, but Flow can be seen to fluctuate up and down despite constant compressor load.

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What I’m Trying to Understand
• Is the constant hunting between 45–70 Hz, and fluctuating flow temp normal for this generation of Ecodan, or should I expect a steady low-frequency modulation.
• Could the unsteady patterns simply just be an issue with the unit not being able to modulate lower for the given flow/return/room temps, or is there potentially a deeper issue with the unit (e.g EEV, low refrigerant etc).

Any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks!



   
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Majordennisbloodnok
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First things first, @lukewarmbath, and welcome to the forum.

I see this is your first post, so let's see what we can do to help. I also have an Ecodan 8.5 kW so, whilst mine is an R32 model, we should be able to compare and contrast pretty reasonably. I am not one of the best here to talk about heat pump config but there are a few pertinent questions I can ask that should open things up for my more able peers here to comment on.

Given how long the system has been installed, your indoor display should be able to give you plenty of historical data. Have you taken a look yet at how much energy was consumed last year/this year and how much heat energy delivered for same period? I only ask because my heat pump is registering a COP right now of 5.11 whilst a minute ago it was 1.96. Mitsi's reporting of COP is nothing if not variable, so a far better indicator of whether there's a real problem or not is the last year's SCOP. Of course, if the 1.5-2 COP you mentioned actually is the SCOP, that's definitely low.

You haven't mentioned whereabouts in the country you are. A general idea of location might help with recommending a company for servicing that is likely to pick up on the things that seem to have been missed.

You also haven't mentioned whether the system is running in weather compensation mode or flow temperature mode. That is highly likely to affect the heat pump's performance so well worth letting us know a few more details.

I would also say that you seem to have a feeling that something isn't right. That is an important point and something you should only relinquish if we manage to satisfy your concerns objectively. You're getting to know your system far better than we ever could so your instincts are valuable.

 


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