I'm so confused and worried about the running costs of my heat pump. Please help!
Hello everyone.
I'm not at all technically minded and am disabled cognitively so please bare with me.
I am a social housing tenant and I live in a 2 bed small detached bungalow built in the 60s in a very rural place. About 3 years ago my housing association took out my economy 7 and replaced it with air source heating. Daikin I think it's called.
I have 4 small solar roof panels and a solar boost to heat up hot water.
It's been very very expensive to run this heating and my landlords can't explain why it's costing me more in electric than the 5 bed house opposite me .
There is no underfloor heating here, Radiators were changed but only one seems extra large, the rest look normal, landlords are saying it's well insulated etc, double glazing. There are air bricks all around the outside though, about 10 or 12 in total.
My energy supplier, based on last winters usage, wants 400 a month from me. I know prices have risen and cost of living etc but I can't afford to turn this heating on now at all .
3 different people who have come to look at the heating have said this system is expensive to run and known for that. My landlords say it's because I don't have carpets apparently, I have laminate and rugs. The bungalow has suspended floors.
Landlord says loft and cavity wall insulated. Double glazing.
The heating never seemed to warm the place up properly, yet costs a fortune to run.
This winter I've had to make the choice not to use the central heating at all so I have got a couple of small oil filled mobile radiators that I will use, but I'm dreading winter.
Please can someone tell me WHY this heating has always been so expensive to run, I've never got on with it, been told various things like it's calling for heat all the time it's on because it's never reaching temperature, heats going straight through floor etc, that the system is not suitable for this property, but my landlords insist it is.
I am dreading the winter, I couldn't cope last time yet alone this time. Please can someone talk to me about this heating, why it's so expensive.
I've just told my landlord I am not even turning it on this winter but they say I have to or pipes will freeze? I have no log burner or open fire here. Are oil filled rads enough?
It's a Daiken system air source.
Please can someone try to explain this system to me and why it's so so expensive to run.
Thanks so much.
Ok, I’ll start with some simple questions:
1. Does the house opposite have the same, daikin air source heating system?
2. Have you considered moving to prepayment (so that you are not forced into paying a large standing order each month to shore up the bank account of the energy company)?
3. How is your heating system controlled at the moment? Do you have a thermostat on the wall?
Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.
My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.
Hi thankyou
The house opposite have air source but I'm not sure it's Daiken, they havnt long had it and the outside fan etc looks different to mine so I'm unsure?
I can't use prepay as there are no shops here, very limited bus service and I don't drive, plus I have M S and only leave my home very occasionally so topping up would be a huge problem.
I don't have a thermostat on the wall, I've got a little white display thing with batteries in that I can turn heating up or down with a dial.
Thankyou 🙂
OK, that gives us something to go on. So the house opposite has air source but it might be that they are running it differently, have a better insulated and airtight house, have a different electric tariff etc etc… So we can’t really compare your place and install to theirs.
I only mentioned prepayment as the unit rates on the backstop are now the same, and the standing charge is not much more per day. The smart prepayment can be topped up online from your suppliers website or phone app - no need to leave the house at all.
Anyway, back to your heating system, can you tell is what is shown on this white, battery powered, room stat/controller? Is it made by daikin or someone else?
The next thing, can you tell us where in the UK you are?
Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.
My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.
Also, my internet signal is rubbish so I keep losing internet, if I don't reply to anyone please note I'm not being ignorant I just maybe can't access internet . 🙂
@editor do you know if there is a way, under FOI or similar, that a representative of the tenant could request the design data for this retrofit? My wife owns her house but the sewage is provided by a private system owned by Aster, a large housing association in the south west. She has set me up as a representative (my name isn’t on the deeds) so I can deal with technical matters for her. I wonder if the collective could somehow get hold of the information required to help the OP get this system working well.
It should be considerably more comfortable and cheaper than storage heaters on E7
Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.
My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.
@winnie-wicket Anywhere near Trowbridge?
Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.
My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.
To answer your original and most pressing question - this is expensive to run because it isn’t either installed or setup correctly, or both.
If you try and run an ASHP in the same way as a gas boiler, it will eat electricity and won’t heat your house properly.
It’s installer laziness that causes this. They want to install it, show you the radiators get hot, then leave.
Hopefully we can get this configured properly for you so that you don’t suffer this winter. Having a heating system that isn’t working properly isn’t acceptable.
Off grid on the isle of purbeck
2.4kW solar, 15kWh Seplos Mason, Outback power systems 3kW inverter/charger, solid fuel heating with air/air for shoulder months, 10 acres of heathland/woods.
My wife’s house: 1946 3 bed end of terrace in Somerset, ASHP with rads + UFH, triple glazed, retrofit IWI in troublesome rooms, small rear extension.
@winnie-wicket Can you post a pic of the main controller, which will probably be near your water tank?
Take a pic of any screens you can access easily.
250sqm house. 30kWh Sunsynk/Pylontech battery system. 14kWp solar. Ecodan 14kW. BMW iX.
Posted by: @hughf@editor do you know if there is a way, under FOI or similar, that a representative of the tenant could request the design data for this retrofit? My wife owns her house but the sewage is provided by a private system owned by Aster, a large housing association in the south west. She has set me up as a representative (my name isn’t on the deeds) so I can deal with technical matters for her. I wonder if the collective could somehow get hold of the information required to help the OP get this system working well.
It should be considerably more comfortable and cheaper than storage heaters on E7
The quick answer is I don't know. I will message a few industry insiders and heat pump association members to see if they have any advice on the matter.
On a related note, and this is something I've wondered about before, but it is not the responsibility of landlords to ensure heating systems are installed properly and running efficiently? In the case, @winnie-wicket had her heating removed and replaced with a heat pump, so the responsibility lies with the landlord to get it addressed. This is something I'll look into too.
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Posted by: @winnie-wicketI've just told my landlord I am not even turning it on this winter but they say I have to or pipes will freeze?
I'm pretty certain that a landlord can't order you to turn your heating on. The system should have been sufficiently insulated during installation to prevent freezing over.
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