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Octopus ASHP Offer

Jeff · 2021-05-27T08:28:24Z

It looks like Octopus may be planning an ASHP offering although they use the word boiler. There has been a page on their website intermittently recently with a coming soon 2021 message. This is a capture of the page on the 22nd of May. The page wasn't live on the actual website the last time I looked

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29/05/2021 12:12 pm

I don't think the voters with gas central heating would agree.

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29/05/2021 4:53 pm

@derek-m that depends. You could move it onto electricity at roughly equal rating. I believe most people's bills are roughly 50/50. So you could make the electricity bill £200 less and the gas bill £200 more - as an example. This would be cost neutral for a normal person. However if you want to incentivise people to switch the main driver will have to be in their pocket. An ASHP makes sense for me as I have batteries and solar. Without them it wouldn't. What you need is that ASHP heating is 2/3 the price of gas per year. A material difference you can easily work out would increase uptake. Everyone cares about the environment, few are prepared to pay more about it in real life

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Topic starter 29/05/2021 10:35 pm

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Hi Jeff,

Is that not a contradiction in terms, having government and strategy in the same sentence?

Let me know when you see the report, I would be interested in reading it.

Some initiatives were included in a press release yesterday.

GOV.UK "https://www.gov.uk/government/news/44-million-cash-boost-to-cut-emissions-from-buildings-and-help-households-save-on-energy-bills"

£44 million cash boost to cut emissions from buildings and help households save on energy bills - GOV.UK

Investment will help cut carbon emissions by up to 22% for homes and buildings connected to heat networks while providing potential reductions of up to 15% in energy costs.

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30/05/2021 8:15 am

Posted by: @batalto

@derek-m that depends. You could move it onto electricity at roughly equal rating. I believe most people's bills are roughly 50/50. So you could make the electricity bill £200 less and the gas bill £200 more - as an example. This would be cost neutral for a normal person. However if you want to incentivise people to switch the main driver will have to be in their pocket. An ASHP makes sense for me as I have batteries and solar. Without them it wouldn't. What you need is that ASHP heating is 2/3 the price of gas per year. A material difference you can easily work out would increase uptake. Everyone cares about the environment, few are prepared to pay more about it in real life

Gas heating is about half the price of ASHP at the moment, give or take. If ASHP were to be 2/3 the price of ASHP, gas would have to treble if ASHP stayed the same. Or double if ASHP reduced by 1/3 (please check my arithmetic!). The other problem is, apart from CO2 emissions, gas is better at heating homes - it's cheaper, simpler, more flexible and a lot more forgiving of older properties and profligate use. I agree incentives are important but I don't think the move away from gas can be cost-neutral for consumers. It's going to need some careful balancing of carrots and sticks by those in power. I think the days of cheap home heating are numbered.

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30/05/2021 10:46 am

Thanks Jeff,

It makes interesting reading.

Have you read the energy white paper? There is a link contained within the above document.

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Topic starter 14/06/2021 10:11 am

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Topic starter 14/06/2021 10:15 am

Countdown timer added to boiler page.

OCTOPUS.ENERGY "https://octopus.energy/l/heat/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIh8Sp58KV8QIVJeLmCh2L2wdlEAAYASAAEgJAwfD_BwE"

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14/06/2021 11:14 am

@jeff Only 480 days to go...

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Topic starter 14/06/2021 12:54 pm

I assume the long lead time is linked to this announcement

"Octopus Energy is investing £10m to build the UK’s first major training centre for heat pump engineers, which they say will create a huge jobs bonanza."

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