Posted by: @benson

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Likewise the performance data

But does that really matter, everyone talks about CoP and SCoP, within reason it doesn't matter. I have full monitoring software (heat meter etc) it's useful for setup and some optimism. And it tells me I'm getting a CoP currently of 5.5 (running excess PV), it also shows me my daily CoP which is 2.8 today (heat pump has been off) but what really matters is cost to run and comfort.

@johnmo Though being informed that the system is running with a low COP figure might encourage some users to think about what they might be able to do to improve matters, ie., lowering their flow temperature and or reducing the room temperature perhaps?

We run our system at 22.5 degrees 24/7 for various reasons but mostly for medical needs. I realise a lower temperature would result in lower running cost but at least our Homely Dashboard offers a little ‘comfort’ when telling us that we have a COP of ~3.5 - 5.25 😉

@johnmo I cannot understand that logic I'm afraid. Our energy usage varies based on a number of factors. How cold it is outside and how much heating we need, how many times per day we use the washing machine/tumble dryer. What I want to see is how efficient my ASHP is to make sure it is performing ok. If it isn't, it would indicate to me that there is a problem. If I couldn't monitor COP what would be the alternative? Plotting a graph of how cold it is outside versus how many kW my ASHP uses, by accessing the not very user friendly Midea control panel? The COP is a far superior way of monitoring all of this rather than just keeping tabs on energy costs, and I suspect this is the reason you have full monitoring software, no? Why are you interested in it, can I ask, and why should I not be interested?

The information is literally right there as well- Homely just haven't wanted customers to see it, and I suspect a lot of installers don't really want their customers to see it either. I would take no umbrage with paying a small subscription to access advanced features, rather than what homely are currently doing I believe which is charging installers £20 per install for enhanced remote monitoring.

Posted by: @toodles

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lowering their flow temperature

Isn't that the whole point of homely - it does that function for you, and generates the correct weather compensation curve for your house and it's response curve to changing outside conditions.

Posted by: @benson

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COP is a far superior way of monitoring all of this rather than just keeping tabs on energy costs, and I suspect this is the reason you have full monitoring software, no?

Not sure it is always, it's nice to know CoP, but it's meaningless, costs are what is important - today playing the SCoP game I should have been getting a daily CoP of 5 overall, but the cost may have been £1 or more. But I got a CoP of about 3, but at zero cost.

Isn't homely all about low running cost, making use of cheap tariff - their headline is 31% cheaper, not better CoP.

Posted by: @benson

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Why are you interested in it, can I ask, and why should I not be interested?

Homely isn't available for my heat pump, so I was looking how to best understand what was going on, to replicate in very simple terms what homely and other systems do, but more importantly if I really needed to replicate. Which I don't.

So can run heat pump in two modes and switch between the two either via a thermostat or shelly relay. 2 modes are full on weather compensation or batch charging the floor (storage heater mode). Which is what I use with excess PV in heating and cooling mode.

Not saying you shouldn't be interested in what's going on, but more the point homely may not be the tool, as it's to help with customers comfort and running costs, and help installer do stuff from his office that would normally be done at your house and get call outs.

@johnmo Perhaps a little detail might explain my reasoning:

After a few nights of an OAT of ~-7 or -8 degrees, I found that our required temperature of 22.5 was difficult to achieve until mid morning so I requested Homely to increase the flow temperature range up to 50 degrees as 45 degrees was just not sufficient. We are now awaiting the installation of triple glazing to replace the old double glazing. A top temperature of 45 degrees again from Homely which they carried out for me. I noted that with the 50 degree setting, the system consumption rose substantially for a few minutes but the rest of the time, was running very low. I feel that low and slow would be preferable to bursts of high consumption.

My system is set for Cosy and I was using Smart+ but as I have battery capacity of 27 kWh, the regime does not really need to be rigidly adhered to and I find that the anticipatory nature of Homely to never let the temperature drop below whatever is set as the highest during the whole day in the schedule, I have now set my controller to standard which allows closer observance to the programmed temperature.

I think that if Homely has a weakness, this quirk of highest temperature programmed influencing the whole day is it. Regards, Toodles.

@johnmo homely can be that tool and offer the best of both worlds. That is my general point that I am trying to make.

Regarding whether it’s best to monitor costs, versus cop/scop- I take your point but my decision to make, no? Depends if you have time of use tariff, battery etc. I think my brain can handle it 🙂 

They’ve closed that feedback portal link on the app now but last time I looked there were almost 100 votes for dashboard access. The next most popular suggestion (better controls for temp setting) was on around 40 odd. 

I also want control of my max flow temp for the same reasons that toodles highlights. It is my central heating system after all and I don’t want to have to email someone if my house is cold. Again surely a simple tweak to make what is a decent control system excellent.

@benson Triple glazing being fitted on Tuesday and onwards.😊 Toodles

Think a lot of the "smart" stuff sold, especially when an approved installer can only install - is there for the installer and some features to keep the end user on side. End user pays the bill for product and installation, gets some benefits, such as fit and forget and installer can quickly (in theory) monitor and sort issues remotely. Only good while your installer is interested!

Can you not just register as an installer and get control and see all operating parameters?

@johnmo yes that is the current workaround to access the dashboard. I guess the concern is that it seemed somewhat inevitable that they were going to take steps to remove this at some point, now that they have laid out their business model/strategy regarding customer access. 

Posted by: @toodles

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@benson Triple glazing being fitted on Tuesday and onwards.😊 Toodles

That sounds pane-ful.

@majordennisbloodnok I am wearing a glazed expression now. 😉

Posted by: @toodles

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@majordennisbloodnok I am wearing a glazed expression now. 😉

Nah. Not really you're not - I can see right through you. 😆