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Testing new controls/monitoring for Midea Clone ASHP

benson · 2025-09-14T21:44:38Z

Hi all, I thought it might be of interest to others if I document a bit about the above, which is mainly the removal of Homely from our system and the installation of something that essentially uses the manufacturers controls via home assistant, particularly as the native control panel for Midea, and their app, are not great. Over this heating season the plan is to compare how we get on both in terms of comfort levels, and costs, so hopefully this will be a good test. Background: Firstly, a bit about the system, which we've had for just over a year. 160sq m house, with very average insulation so we're never going to be running particularly low flow temps. 16 radiators in total, with estimated heat losses just under 8kW and a 12kW Clivet (midea) installed. Overall, we did not have the smoothest of experiences with our installers. There were a lot of issues with general quality of workmanship, being left a cold room or two, and not being able to achieve the reported design max flow temp of 45 at minus 2. At minus 2 generally we'd need outlet temps of around 47/48 to keep our house warm, after a bit of trial and error. The installers recommended homely and we went for this, which works ok but our general feeling was that it left us with too little control and I personally didn't like that end users have to go through the back door to access their installer dashboard. It also exhibited some slightly strange behaviours with overshooting. Here's an example of some of the isssues we had with Homely: You can see in the graph above that Homely set the flow temp at 50/51 when there was no need to do so. Quite mild outside and the heating essentially was off for a few hours. This would happen once or twice a week and just generally didn't seem to quite align with the low and slow principles. New controls: I researched a lot of potential options, and even contacted Clivet themselves who interestingly just recommended getting an on/off thermostat and connecting this to the ASHP. Not being a fan of the above (mainly due to advice on here), I looked at other options. Planet Atmo seemed like a good option for pure weather comp and was compatible with Midea. This would link to the ASHP via the modbus in the same way Homely does, and allowed a lot of controllable parameters and monitoring, via their app. However, they wouldn't supply direct to the public so that ruled them out. I have tried the Midea Smarthome app but it is quite basic, and it just keeps disconnecting with the control panel. I had been able to relink it but now I just can't get it to work at all so I've given up on that. I then came across a Midea ASHP controller called Svenar. I couldn't fully work out what this device offered, truth be told, but it sounded like it might work so at around £65 I thought we'd give it a punt. It connected via modbus and then allowed control/monitoring via home assistant. Home assistant- We in fact already had this. I purchased the HA green a while back and in fairness hadn't really been using it that much, with only one automation set up for a smart plug on our tumble dryer to notify us when it had finished! For those who aren't familiar, the best way to describe it is an open source system/repository that allows connection and integration of a load of smart devices in your home. You can then set up automations so if something happens to one smart device (or entity within that device so for a temp and humidity sensor the particular entity could be selected as the temperature reading) it can then influence another separate device to run a command. The HA green is a straight out of the box solution which was very easy to set up. Svenar- when it arrived, again very simple to set up and this was immediately discoverable in home assistant, which was a good start. What I didn't realise, which was a massive bonus, was just how many parameters of my ASHP I'd be able to see, and control, within home assistant via Svenar. There are around 200 odd, and hopefully this screenshot gives an idea which is a very small snapshot: Now I cannot profess to know what all of these parameters mean, but a bit of googling, and delving into the instruction manual, allowed me to pick off the key ones that I wanted both viewable, and controllable, in a separate dashboard rather than having to trawl through the list of hundreds. Again, for those that don't know much about HA it allows one to create custom dashboards with cards, or buttons that will display certain entities and allow toggling on/off, changing values etc. It's also worth pointing out that HA works really well on a smartphone so the above dashboard I created is very easy to read there. Even the wife commented that it was easy to use and turn on the heating- a decent endorsement indeed... As you can see on the above, I've added the parameters for the WC curve so I can easily tweak this as required once we see how we get on when the weather turns. Putting it to the test: Today as it hap...

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Grantmethestrength

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28/10/2025 7:15 pm

Posted by: @benson

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I think I've hit a stumbling block, or at least when it comes to any over/undershooting adjustments. I just can't figure out a way of effectively circumventing the fact that the midea unit turns itself off when changing serviceman settings. I've tried adding a building block to the automations that slightly adjust the WCC, in that I've included a sequence action to turn the CH back on. It doesn't work though, I guess because it still does both actions at the same time so it hasn't actually 'exited' the serviceman settings before the sequence action can operate.

@benson can you post an example of your automation please

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Topic starter 28/10/2025 7:29 pm

@grantmethestrength it was literally just out of the box plug and play. I'll email him and see what he says.

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Topic starter 28/10/2025 7:39 pm

Posted by: @grantmethestrength

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@benson can you post an example of your automation please

sure. Here's the automation sequence, so pre requisite is that heating must be on (this is what Control Zone 1 entity is). T4H1 is the OAT value at the colder end of the curve so if it was set back from -2, to -1, this would lower the curve sufficiently so it gradually reduces IAT, I found. The last action to run in sequence is then to turn CH back on again:

Here's the code behind it as well, if this is what you meant:

alias: ASHP WC curve overshoot adjustment
description: ""
triggers:
- trigger: numeric_state
entity_id:
- sensor.temperature_humidity_sensor_temperature
above: 21.8
conditions:
- condition: device
type: is_on
device_id: d3224b34c0e7484c771e1543c8252132
entity_id: 8116be08f573f5dc01bb0d508392cfb3
domain: switch
for:
hours: 0
minutes: 5
seconds: 0
actions:
- device_id: d3224b34c0e7484c771e1543c8252132
domain: number
entity_id: 6a61ed3c9f83ad929967dfabfd642b17
type: set_value
value: -3
- sequence:
- type: turn_on
device_id: d3224b34c0e7484c771e1543c8252132
entity_id: 8116be08f573f5dc01bb0d508392cfb3
domain: switch
mode: single

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28/10/2025 8:22 pm

@benson - you are doing this the counter-intuitive way to me, shifting the line (curve) left and right on the x axis, rather than moving up and down on the Y axis.

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pre requisite is that heating must be on

This rings a distant bell, the unit can't be in DHW mode for some reason, and looking at my code, I do have a 'is unit in space heating mode' test before running the rest of the auto-adapt script. But if you are adjusting the curve, you will be in space heating mode anyway (unless the DHW happens to be on, which as I say you can check). I am not sure you need all the on/off stuff - I just write to the register anyway (runs once an hour).

Midea 14kW (for now...) ASHP heating both building and DHW

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28/10/2025 8:23 pm

Edit: just had a look at some of my automations and it looks like it is home assistant creating the random entity id’s still worth checking in the non yaml version that the entities are correct. It turns out Home Assistant creates its own id in the background so that even if you rename the entity it still has the same unique id for that entity.

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28/10/2025 8:30 pm

Home Assistant also has an auto-entites card so you can have a card that shows all of the entities of a device this is quite useful for finding the exact entity, its current state and its history.

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