I’m interested to read comments ……
Just read this on the BBC News website and would be interested to read comments. I scuba dive and cringe at news reports or documentaries that refer to things such as oxygen tanks, flippers, the bends, goggles etc.
One part I’ve extracted is:- To be "ultra-efficient" she decided to install a whole new heating system. Solar panels were fitted to the house, along with an air source heat pump. The heat pump and panels work together with a passive heating system - a mesh of pipes encased in concrete, that stores heat in summer and slowly releases it over the winter………..really?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61068688
Retrofitted 11.2kw Mitsubishi Ecodan to new radiators commissioned November 2021.
14 x 500w Monocrystalline solar panels.
2 ESS Smile G3 10.1 batteries.
ESS Smile G3 5kw inverter.
Posted by: @morganJust read this on the BBC News website and would be interested to read comments. I scuba dive and cringe at news reports or documentaries that refer to things such as oxygen tanks, flippers, the bends, goggles etc.
One part I’ve extracted is:- To be "ultra-efficient" she decided to install a whole new heating system. Solar panels were fitted to the house, along with an air source heat pump. The heat pump and panels work together with a passive heating system - a mesh of pipes encased in concrete, that stores heat in summer and slowly releases it over the winter………..really?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61068688
Sounds like the best thing since sliced bread, put me down for two. 😎
Katherine Latham is obviously really on the ball.
Posted by: @derek-mSounds like the best thing since sliced bread, put me down for two. 😎
😂😂😂
Retrofitted 11.2kw Mitsubishi Ecodan to new radiators commissioned November 2021.
14 x 500w Monocrystalline solar panels.
2 ESS Smile G3 10.1 batteries.
ESS Smile G3 5kw inverter.
Joking apart, I read some time ago about schools in America that have ground source systems, that provide AC in the Summer and heating in the Winter. They basically extract energy from the building internals during the Summer period and deposit it in the ground, and then extract this energy during the Winter. Since it is a ground source system it will be more efficient than air source, though I am not certain if the stored energy would last out the Winter.
I feel to do something similar in the UK, though not impossible, would have limited benefit. First you would need a ground source system that can extract energy from the outside air, unless you enjoy arctic conditions indoors, and deposit this energy in the specified concrete block, unless the article was actually referring to an indoor concrete slab. If the concrete block is indeed outside, this is where many more what-ifs come into play. Of course whilst it is deposit energy in the concrete block it would not be able to perform any form of indoor heating. You may need a second heat pump for this purpose.
Assuming that the Winter heating period lasts 90 days, and the average daily heat demand is 100 kWh's, this would give a total heat demand of 9000 kWh's. Let's be generous and say that the average COP of the GSHP is 4, so during the 90 day period it would require an electrical energy supply of 2250 kWh and a heat energy supply (from the concrete block) of 6750 kWh's.
If this 6750 kWh's of energy is to be stored in the concrete block, by raising its temperature from say 10C to 50C, it is now possible to calculate the size of block required. To heat 1 kg of concrete by 1C takes 3400 Joules of energy, so to raise the temperature by 40C would require 136000 J.
1 kWh is 3600000 J, therefore 6750 kWh is 24300000000 J, so to store this amount of energy would require a concrete block weighing approximately 178.7 Tonnes or 74.5 M3 in size. This of course assumes that there is no loss of energy in the process.
To put the energy into the store during the remaining 275 days of the year, again assuming an average COP of 4, since it is now operating as an ASHP, would require an average electrical supply of approximately 8.2 kWh.
So quite an easy task after-all.
No surprise to me to see a high temp pictured sadly. There's obviously going to be a big push for these regarding the retrofit market but running costs are higher than for a standard pump, and you don't see that in the headlines.
I've seen that a few of these have been gifted to some influencers and the set up with the hydraulic module and all lagged and correct sized pipework etc. etc. in what looks to be a garage or pumproom is probably going to be very far removed from what the average person will end up with if my experience is anything to go by!
- 22 Forums
- 2,047 Topics
- 44.6 K Posts
- 21 Online
- 3,274 Members
Join Us!
Trusted Installers
Struggling to find a reliable heat pump installer? A poor installation can lead to inefficiencies and high running costs. We now connect homeowners with top-rated installers who deliver quality work and excellent service.
✅ Verified, trusted & experienced installers
✅ Nationwide coverage expanding
✅ Special offers available
Latest Posts
-
RE: Warm weather and heat pumps.
@editor Oh nothing right now because $ needed for struc...
By Lucia , 3 hours ago
-
RE: Yes, the "zoning with ASHP" topic again...
@ccap as an aside, I think you pose some interesting qu...
By Mars , 3 hours ago
-
Maybe you could do a video on it please? Ask all the ma...
By Lucia , 3 hours ago
-
RE: Renewables & Heat Pumps in the News
This is from data provided by a serious researcher with...
By Lucia , 3 hours ago
-
RE: Solar Power Output – Let’s Compare Generation Figures
Well, as i was hoping, this month over here just smashe...
By Andris , 3 hours ago
-
@iantelescope - I do appreciate I am becoming something...
By cathodeRay , 5 hours ago
-
RE: Potentially more choice including air to air heat pump grants
@jeff Such documents are far too wordy for my ‘daily re...
By Toodles , 8 hours ago
-
RE: Getting the best out of a heat pump - is Homely a possible answer?
@grahaml I cannot agree that it is a small percentage o...
By benson , 1 day ago
-
RE: Commencing on an ASHP Installation Process
In that case treating it as a separate space seems emin...
By JamesPa , 1 day ago
-
RE: Samsung Gen6 16kW tribulations
@emceed, can you please give us an update on your syste...
By Mars , 2 days ago
-
RE: ASHP Ecodan L9 error - No Heating but Hot Water
@phoenix15 Sorry to hear that, we are all the way down ...
By ASHP-BOBBA , 2 days ago
-
What's the problem you are trying to solve. The answer...
By JamesPa , 4 days ago
-
Good luck. For what it is worth my system was very def...
By JamesPa , 5 days ago
-
RE: Massive Electricity Cost for Running My Air Source Heat Pump
I agree @mark-h The Building Regs are now very readable...
By Transparent , 5 days ago
-
RE: Help me understand my Mitsubishi Ecodan system
@carpenterstation When changing settings in the ser...
By RobS , 5 days ago
-
RE: Ecodan Legionella cycle - immersion heater problem
Thanks for letting us know @clockworks I admire your ...
By Transparent , 6 days ago
-
RE: Revised version of MCS-020 (noise standards for heat pumps)
As you say this is no change, which I personally think ...
By JamesPa , 7 days ago
-
RE: What happens when the outside temperature exceeds the upper WC point?
@editor not via the WC curve but as @old_scientist ment...
By bontwoody , 7 days ago
-
RE: MHHS and Heat Pump compatibility
@toodles to be clear I don't know if there will be a re...
By Scalextrix , 1 week ago