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As someone that's deeply involved in the design and installation of heating systems, I want to share essential advice for consumers considering an air source heat pump. My business partner, Luke, and I run Optimus Heating, and we’ve achieved recognition in the industry, winning Vaillant’s heat pump challenge last year and being one of 10 chosen projects in Viessmann’s Top of the SCOP’s competition. We specialise in creating highly efficient heating systems, often achieving efficiencies over 500%.

This guide is not a pitch for business but a genuine attempt to help consumers navigate the misinformation surrounding heat pump installations. If you’re looking for a system with long-lasting efficiency, low running costs and minimal noise, here are the six red flags to avoid when considering a heat pump installation.

Red Flag 1: Design Flow Temperature

If you’re being sold a heat pump with a flow temperature of 50C, be cautious. A higher flow temperature can limit the efficiency of your heat pump and shorten its lifespan. Some manufacturers offer a 7-year warranty, which is far shorter than the potential lifespan of a heat pump installed with the correct parameters.

The reason for this limited warranty is that manufacturers have no control over how the heat pump is installed, particularly concerning flow temperature. Many mass-market installations are designed for 50C flow temperatures, which can significantly reduce the lifespan of the compressor and increase noise levels. Additionally, for every degree increase in flow temperature, you may experience a 3% loss in efficiency. A heat pump designed with a 35C flow temperature can be up to 45% more efficient than one designed for 50C.

Lowering the flow temperature naturally enhances efficiency, reduces running costs, extends the lifespan of your heat pump and minimises noise. Always question any company promoting flow temperatures above 45C.

Red Flag 2: Rooms Designed at Different Temperatures

CIBSE design guides recommend different temperatures for different rooms, such as 18C for kitchens and 21C for living rooms. However, designing emitters for varying temperatures in adjacent rooms can lead to inefficiencies.

According to thermodynamics, heat will always move from hot to cold areas. This means that the warmer room will lose heat to the cooler room, causing your system to become unbalanced and your heat pump to work harder than necessary. It’s nearly impossible to maintain different temperatures in different rooms unless they’re vacuum-sealed.

Your home should be designed with a single consistent temperature, with a setback temperature for cooler bedrooms overnight. Always question any company that doesn’t use one consistent design temperature across your property.

Red Flag 3: Third Party Controls, Zoning & TRVs

Imagine a simple two-up, two-down house, where each room has a 2.5kW heat loss/load, totalling 10kW for the entire house. If you install a 10kW heat pump and then zone the house into upstairs and downstairs, shutting off the upstairs zone during the day, you’ve essentially halved the water volume in the system. This reduction in water volume can cause your heat pump to cycle on and off, reducing efficiency and potentially shortening its lifespan.

Heat pumps operate most efficiently when they can modulate their power to maintain a steady temperature. However, third party ‘smart’ heating controls often act like on/off switches, which can cause the compressor to cycle inefficiently. These controls were originally designed for combustion heating (boilers) and are not ideal for vapour compression heating (heat pumps).

The best approach is to use weather compensation controls, which allow your heat pump to adjust its power output based on outdoor temperatures, maintaining a consistent indoor temperature without cycling the compressor. Always question any company that suggests using third party or ambient controls.

Red Flag 4: Buffers, Hydronic Separation & Fixed Speed Circulation Pumps

Buffers can be useful in some cases, but they’re often unnecessary for the vast majority of domestic UK housing stock. A buffer is essentially a cylinder of water connected to both the heat pump and the central heating system. In many cases, the use of a buffer with a fixed speed circulation pump can lead to inefficiencies, particularly when the pump doesn’t modulate according to the outdoor temperature.

Most heat pumps are designed to operate with a temperature differential (ΔT) of 5C between the flow and return. However, when a buffer is used, the differential can become distorted, leading to the heat pump having to work harder to maintain the desired temperature. This can result in inefficiencies and increased wear and tear on the system.

Buffers are often used by installers to simplify the installation process, but this can lead to a lazy and inefficient system. Instead, consider a volumiser, which can add system volume without the need for hydronic separation, allowing the heat pump to operate more efficiently.

Red Flag 5: Central Heating Pipe Sizing

Proper pipe sizing is crucial for the efficient operation of your heat pump. The designer should always be able to provide calculations to ensure that your house’s pipework is capable of transporting the full power output of the heat pump. If the pipework isn’t large enough, upsizing radiators will be pointless, as the energy won’t be able to reach them efficiently.

A good designer will consider this and prove their design mathematically, leaving nothing to guesswork.

Red Flag 6: Power Output Size of the Heat Pump

The heat pump you choose should be matched to the specific heat loss of your home. If the heat pump is oversized, it will cycle on and off, leading to inefficiencies and potential damage. On the other hand, if it’s undersized, it will overwork and struggle to maintain the desired temperature, especially in colder weather.

As a crude example, if your heat loss is 3.8kW and you are being sold a 6.9kW heat pump, this heat pump is probably oversized and will potentially cycle.

Proper sizing is essential to ensure that the heat pump operates efficiently and lasts as long as possible.

Closing Thoughts

These are the six red flags to watch out for when purchasing a heat pump. Luke and I are passionate about sharing our knowledge to push the industry in the right direction. We want consumers to be empowered to ask the right questions and choose a system that works efficiently, doesn’t cost a fortune to run and lasts a long time.

Recently, I discussed these points on a Facebook thread about a heat pump installed by a large nationwide company. After someone from that company viewed my LinkedIn profile, the post was removed. I don’t think that’s fair to consumers, so I’m sharing this content here, unaffiliated with anyone.

The marketplace is full of tempting offers, clever marketing and glossy adverts, but many big players are selling you a lie. By asking these red flag questions, you can uncover the truth about what you’re being sold. And if you're still unsure, leave a comment below or on the Renewable Heating Hub Forums and we'll try to guide you in the right direction.

Also, please feel free to share this information widely and use it to hold salespeople and designers accountable. Remember, buying a cheap system might cost you more in the long run, with higher energy costs and potential failures from overworked heat pumps.

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Nice to see an installer being honest and open as to the potential pitfalls that can befall an installation. 
I would certainly recommend you to a friend looking to install a heat pump. 

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How refreshing to hear someone in the industry telling us what everyone needs to hear.  The things you are saying have become pretty clear to the minority who join forums like this to discuss these things, exchange experiences and focus on logical explanations, but seem (by repute) so far to have escaped too much of the industry.

Just a couple of matters for clarification/information.

In your bit about buffer tanks you state (as a red flag) 'Buffers, Hydronic Separation & Fixed Speed Circulation Pumps'.  The first two undoubtedly are red flags.  My question is about fixed speed circulation pumps (in systems without hydronic separation).  Assuming you have avoided the other red flags, does fixed speed actually matter if the pump is set up for about 5C deltaT at the design temp?  At higher OATs the deltaT will drop if the pump speed is fixed, but does this actually affect the efficiency of the heat pump?  I genuinely don't know and haven't actually seen any data either way despite pouring over manufacturer data books.  Obviously it’s a minor point but it would be good to see some data to support this (or not).

 

 

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Posted by: @jamespa

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Assuming you have avoided the other red flags, does fixed speed actually matter if the pump is set up for about 5C deltaT at the design temp?
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Obviously everyone's interpretation could be different, but my understanding is that a red flag is a warning - an indicator - not a rule; if you see a red flag, you pick up on the need to check further, but the circumstances of the red flag aren't in themselves an absolute blocker. I have no idea if fixed speed pumps are an issue or not but I'm very happy to accept the advice that if they're included in a design that I should cross-check that design very carefully. I understand you're just picking up on a statement to do some technical brain-picking and am not suggesting you're saying anything more than that, btw.
Personally, I would add some more to the red flag list.
Discussions steering the inquirer to the overall cost after subsidies
If the installer keeps trying to steer the inquirer's questions about cost back to a "when you take off the Government subsidy (BUS/RHI etc), this is what it will cost" and trys to avoid straight cost discussions that make comparisons easy, the inquirer is likely being "sold to" and the installer may well be trying to hide unpalatable details. For sure, the net cost to change is a valid discussion point but it shouldn't be the only one.
Installer telling the inquirer what they need
As the old adage goes, God gave us two ears and one mouth so we may hear twice as much as we speak. In order for the potential installer to make recommendations they need to know what the customers needs and wants are, and to find that out the installer has to listen. If they start recommending before asking a lot of fact-finding questions, their advice is not fit for purpose. When they do start making recommendations, they ought to be linking those recommendations back to what the customer has been asking for. It doesn't, for instance, matter if the rule of thumb is to design a house temperature of 20degC if the customer wants to live in a warmer environment than that and if the installer doesn't check first then they're not listening. If they don't listen to that, what else won't they be listening to and taking into account?
Plans for the long term
Does the installer have long-term relationships with most of their customers? If the installer is looking to foster a long term relationship with the customer they're far less likely to be installing something that's difficult to maintain or costly to run.

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Posted by: @majordennisbloodnok

Personally, I would add some more to the red flag list....

Installer telling the inquirer what they need

 

How dare you.  The customer for a heat pump has absolutely no right at all to have an opinion on what they need because the installer is the expert.  I've seen this stated quite clearly on this forum on more than one occasion and was recently asked 'would I tell a surgeon what to do?' when I had the temerity to suggest that my own view as a customer might have some validity.  Surely you have learned that by now!

 

Posted by: @majordennisbloodnok

... Plans for the long term

 

Well that will rule out many, perhaps most, of the current players in the industry which, just as happened solar panels, will disappear as the grants dry up because their business model is essentially grant harvesting not customer service.

 

You will of course appreciate that these comments are tongue in cheek, but at the same time have an element or seriousness!

Posted by: @majordennisbloodnok

I understand you're just picking up on a statement to do some technical brain-picking and am not suggesting you're saying anything more than that, btw.

You are correct, I asked the question for that reason alone.  Its a statement I have seen before, but I have also seen that statement that 5C delta T isn't critical.  Since both cant be true (or can only be true if they refer to different circumstances) I'm genuinely interested in some fact/technical explanation why heat pump efficiency might degrade if delta T differs materially from 5C, most particularly if its less. 

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Posted by: @jamespa

How dare you.  The customer for a heat pump has absolutely no right at all to have an opinion on what they need because the installer is the expert.  I've seen this stated quite clearly on this forum on more than one occasion and was recently asked 'would I tell a surgeon what to do?' when I had the temerity to suggest that my own view as a customer might have some validity.  Surely you have learned that by now!
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Having had the need many times throughout my life to deal with the medical community on behalf of family members, that's a very interesting question.

Would I tell a surgeon what to do? No.
Would I tell him or her how to do it? No.
Would I tell him or her what we needed to achieve? Yes, absolutely.
Have I ever done any of the above? No, because every surgeon I have ever dealt with has been guided by the patient's wishes first and started off by asking questions.

As a result, this hypothetical surgeon's position is no different from that of a heat pump installer; the customer (patient) decides what should be done, the expert (surgeon or installer) fleshes out the detail and decides how to tackle it, the customer has the plan explained to them and gives the go-ahead (signing the contract or the consent form) and the expert then carries out the agreed plan.
Any "expert" trying to distance the customer from what they intend to do (and charge for) is, in effect, a surgeon playing God with a patient's life without the patient's consent. How quickly do you think it would take for the General Medical Council to deal with that high-handed behaviour? On the other hand, any expert accepting a customer telling them how to do their job is absolving themselves of their moral and sometimes legal duty which is equally unethical.

Posted by: @jamespa

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Well that will rule out many, perhaps most, of the current players in the industry which, just as happened solar panels, will disappear as the grants dry up because their business model is essentially grant harvesting not customer service.
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My point precisely, put rather more concisely and probably more clearly.
 

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Mitsubishi Ecodan 8.5 kW air source heat pump
18 x 360W solar panels
1 x 6 kW GroWatt battery and inverter
1 x Myenergi Zappi
1 x VW ID3
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Posted by: @majordennisbloodnok

Would I tell a surgeon what to do? No.Would I tell him or her how to do it? No.

My answered isn't the same. And here is an example.
I had a sore ear lobe, and an area that would bleed if I picked it. It appeared in April. Went to the doctor, he sent me to a clinical specialist/surgeon, he said not sure what it is, but what we'll do is take a section out of your ear and do a biopsy, when it's healed it'll look ok. This was in September and the surgery booked for December. Come November the area had healed up, so cancelled the surgery. The next April came along, same thing. My mother said put sun block on your ear, and wear a hat, which I thought was worth a ago. Issue went away a few weeks later and has never returned. Always wear a hat always put sun block on my ear. Now have a similar area on my cheek, so do the same with sun block.
So I don't do everything the medical professionals say. 
 

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The rooms at a consistent temperature is interesting and makes perfect sense because with our existing gas setup the hallway is colder than the living room and every time the door between the two is opened the living room cools and anyone sat near the door gets a chill.
The ASHP design we are going ahead with did as you said and has a consistent temperature but other quotes we had didn’t and rigidly stuck to 21, 18, 22 etc..
We’re looking forward to our installation in the coming weeks.
 
 

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@project_electrify Even though MCS guidelines ‘suggest’ these different temperatures - they are merely that, suggestions and furthermore, they are not living in your house nor are they likely to be paying your bills!

Once the installers have commissioned the system, it is down to you - and this is where the interesting bit starts! Each of the emitters (radiators) is furnished with a lock shield valve which you employ to control the flow thus the heat in each room. Please see: 

https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/how-to-balance-radiators-the-role-of-the-lockshield-valve

for my method. Regards, Toodles.

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Interesting that none of my two surveys asked me what room temps I would like/prefer and as for design temp (you get what we offer)! However they were both from who energy suppliers fully expect to get their money back long term.  It seems like "we will put in what we want and that is it".  Customer? or Victim! One more resurvey and one by an actual installer (I hope). Sadly I expect his price may be out of my budget. Sometimes I wonder why I am bothering.


   
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Posted by: @jancold

Sometimes I wonder why I am bothering.

I get that. I just did DIY.

It's almost as if they, the installer, are doing you a favour, somehow they believe the money is theirs, not a tax payer contribution. They are looking for you to pay a bulk of the costs, so really need to minimise what they 'give' you otherwise they dilute how much of the £7500 they keep themselves. And somehow they are are getting away with it - criminal 

 

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Interesting thoughts Simon. One thing that troubles me about the recommendation to avoid using TRVs is that the user then has little control over individual room temperatures. How would you suggest the occupant makes those kinds of fine tuning adjustments?


   
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