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Digital Showers and lower temperature hot water

Somerpark · 2025-02-27T17:14:12Z

Hi I am in the process of getting a heat pump. At present I have a Mira Platinum low pressure pumped digital shower, and assumed all I had to do was replace it with the high pressure version. When looking at this option I read the spec for the unit which stated the hot water operating temp. range was 55-65 degrees. As I want to store water in the range 48-50 degrees I emailed Mira customer services to ask if it would work ok. The reply was vague, offhand and unhelpful "Don't know we haven't tested it at that temp, may work my not or not work as well as it could/should, any issues will invalidate your warranty" so not a lot of help there. Any heat pump owner using something similar, does it work ok, I assumed anyone using a combi gas boiler would not be heating water to around 60 degrees so it should work?

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28/02/2025 9:27 am

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My reply regarding retention wasn't addressed to you.

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28/02/2025 9:29 am

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Go ahead then.

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28/02/2025 9:31 am

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@morgan Why not? There’s hydraulic separation between the ASHP flow and the domestic hot water

Coil probably not large enough, although this can be overcome by 'plate loading' ie fitting a phe and pump to replace or supplement the coil.

I debated retaining my vented cylinder but was persuaded to change it for a uvc (by an installer who was quite happy to fit a supplementary phe if I wanted him to). For me definitely the right decision, no pumps anywhere, balanced, potable hot and cold everywhere, better water flow. I replaced my pumped shower with a very smart but simple, non thermostatic, mixer (Grohe, about 60 pounds). The only downside is that the airing cupboard is now barely luke warm because the insulation on the new cylinder is so good, even though I instructed the installer to omit the insulation on the adjoining pipework. Of course this decision is very circumstance dependent.

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Topic starter 28/02/2025 9:43 am

@morgan sorry my mistake

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28/02/2025 9:47 am

@somerpark no worries.

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28/02/2025 10:15 am

@jamespa I'm not suggesting retaining an existing cyclinder. Replacing with a new cylinder, but venting is preferable to adding a PHE and extra pump, I believe. I have two reasonably new (and expensive) digital showers. I have a poor mains supply to my home (lawn sprinkler only covers approximately 1m radius). There would be no advantage to spending extra money on replacement shower units and having poorer showers as a result.

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@jamespa I'm not suggesting retaining an existing cyclinder. Replacing with a new cylinder, but venting is preferable to adding a PHE and extra pump, I believe. I have two reasonably new (and expensive) digital showers. I have a poor mains supply to my home (lawn sprinkler only covers approximately 1m radius). There would be no advantage to spending extra money on replacement shower units and having poorer showers as a result.

Fair enough. With poor mains pressure the only advantage of a UVC is that it is sealed and so less likely to get general detritus in.

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28/02/2025 12:24 pm

@jamespa Install one of these on the main incommer.

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28/02/2025 4:04 pm

Thanks, its actually @ianmk13 that has the need so tagging him so he sees your post

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28/02/2025 5:04 pm

@jamespa Thanks. Yes; I'd seen it. To be honest, it's an option I had not considered as I was under the impression that fitting of a pump to the incoming main was not permitted. Apparently it is if the flow is limited to 12L/min. In my case, however, my prime motivation is to not have to replace the 2 nearly new and expensive shower units. That's a cost I can easily avoid.

It would be nice to fit a pump to my garden sprinkler in summer but I suspect it would simply draw air in from the water tank feed or the kitchen tap when used.

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28/02/2025 6:48 pm

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I had to do that for my garden sprinkler at a house I once lived in. Got around it via a Fred Karno method by using a large water butt with a submersible pump within attached to the hose to the sprinkler. A hose from the garden tap running constantly into the water butt. Bit of a faff but it certainly upped the water pressure to the sprinkler.

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