I installed an LG Therma V 16kW ASHP in 2020 to replace our old oil boiler in our listed building. Although listed buildings typically don’t require an EPC, we needed one to qualify for RHI payments, which were crucial for us. Thankfully, a new extension helped us achieve a D rating in March 2020, even before installing the ASHP or adding extra PV solar and batteries. Despite these upgrades, it’s unlikely our rating has improved beyond D. The RHI payments, which have now been replaced with a grant, are increasing with inflation and are expected to cover most of the installation costs.
However, there were some issues with the installation. Firstly, the installer didn’t discuss or set up the operation with weather compensation (AI). Moreover, they installed the controller in a warm bathroom, rendering its ability to monitor internal temperature ineffective. They later explained that they set a high flow rate (55C) to mimic traditional central heating and avoid callbacks, which misses the point of the ASHP’s efficiency.
I took matters into my own hands and, with help from Renewable Heating Hub’s forums and LG User Group on Facebook, set up AI in winter 2022/23. It’s been working splendidly, maintaining main rooms at 21C at a much lower cost and power usage. We’ve set a slight setback of just 1 degree overnight in winter. Less used rooms and bedrooms are kept around 15C. Now, the flow temperatures are typically in the low 30s, rarely going above 40C, even on colder days. We’ve set the hot water to 43C, which is more than sufficient for our needs, and we run a Legionnaires cycle once a week.
A downside is our controller provides limited information, and it seems impossible to upgrade its software/firmware. So, details like SCOP are unavailable to us. Later controllers apparently offer better information.
A note for those in listed buildings: it required a planning application, which was a bit of a hassle as the planners were not initially helpful, but it was eventually approved. I managed the application myself, without an architect, using self-drawn plans.
My recommendations would be to ensure the ASHP’s location doesn’t cause noise issues for you or neighbours. If possible, place it in a sunny location to reduce power usage, but be mindful of noise and visual impacts. Also, consider the need for maintenance to meet warranty requirements, even though the annual cost seems high for what seems like minimal work.
Hi – thanks for the post. I too have the LG Therma V heat pump, and despite looking and trying – have been unable to find out how to enable weather compensation. Would you mind sharing how you’ve set it up please?
Hi Nic…I’ll send you a doc by email. let us know how you get on
@Tim441
Hi – I also have an LG Terma V installed back in 2020 but I don’t think the installer knew what they were doing as far as the controller was concerned and never even discussed the AI/weather compensation setting. Although the house was built in 2001 it has microbore pipework and I have read varioius articles that suggest that ASHP’s don’t work very effectively with microbore. Does anyone have a similar situation where it works well?
I would appreciate any help you could offer to get the system running well as since the installation we have been using approx 11-12,000 kWh annually which seems high.
Hi Mark
as a matter of interest it might be useful to know:
sq m size of house?Rads throughout? or any underfloor?Kw size of Therma V?Heat loss that was calculated for MCS/RHI?it might help others comment…
You might want to ask the microbore question through a more general ashp thread on this site as I suspect the answers are similar regardless of manufacturer. @Mars may suggest best thread?
Have you seen the AI setup doc available in the Facebook group for LG ASHP? If not I can send. It has many useful pointers to get started with weather compensation.
My gut feeling is that you should be able to get it to work using AI 24×7 and achieve savings. Probably using a higher heat curve due to greater heat loss to pipework?
When our installer setup with fixed flow temps we used over 8000kwh for first 2 years. But since changing to AI we are on target for about 5500kwh this year. We have solar and batteries which lead us to Agile as best tariff. which tariff are you on?
Hi Tim
Many thabks for your reply. I have set out some additional information below:
Size of house – 213 sq m (internal area)
All radiators – no underfloor; 14 were replaced with larger units as part of the installation.
The ASHP is a LG 16kW Monobloc unit as they determined there was a 14KW space heating load. In additon to a new 250L cylinder they also installed a buffer tank
I will have to dig out the heat loss that was calculated when the survey was done in 2020. The design temperatures for the system were for a flow temperature of 55 degrees and a hot water cylinder temperature of 50 degrees.
I haven’t seen the AI set up document so I’d be grateful if you could send it.
I don’t have either solar or batteries. I’m on a standard OVO tariff but I am now out of contract so am now able to move to another provider. At the moment the system is just set to a single temperature day and night via a Honeywell thermostat in the hallway
Hi Mark
I trued to send the doc a couple of days ago via this site. Can you check spam?
Otherwise can you join the LG User Group on Facebook?
https://www.facebook.com/share/g/nYUsKJqsgxWVUzT1/
It sounds like the heat pump is oversized but I’m no engineer, designer or installer!
In my case its an ancient listed cottage which is pretty inefficient (solid stone walls, single glazed) with a large modern extension. With underfloor heating throughout and rads upstairs.
187 m2 (half modern)
EPC: D
Total energy usage calc was 27597 kwh/Yr
Heat loss 88.5W/m2
So I guess 8000kw/Yr was sort of correct for the design expectations with SCOP say 3.5? But now using nearer 5500kw/Yr and the house being warm day and night I’m very happy. Should be mentioned part of the old house is warmed only to approx 16deg in winter as unused. But it easily heats up if we want it to.
doc is here: https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/postid/33895
One more thought!
If you feel the heat pump is oversized some people have used “Silent Mode” to reduce the elec usage – with good success. I have not done this so far as I feel its more important to focus on AI.
Hi Tim – I used the document to review all the setting on the controller at the weekend. The controller version we have 3.05.6a. I’m waiting to see what happens when the weather gets a bit colder because the radiators are not really on at the moment. I also switched to Octopus Cosy in the last week so I want to try and tweak the set up to utilise their lower tariff periods