Samsung Gen6 12Kwh inverter Delta T

AndyMc · 2023-04-24T15:02:04Z

I noticed that under 40**Heat setting you can set the 405* inverter pump (assume compressor) delta T to 3oC (originally set to industry standard of 5oc). I'm assuming compressor as the heat pump noise/compressor instantly dropped down once I had saved the new settings (plant room next door to external air source heat pump so you can easily monitor) I just want to check if adjusting the delta T will cause any major issues for the heat pump? 3 bedroom semi (130sqm) new build property, excellent insulation roof, floor and walls (EPC B soon to be A with solar panels). Underfloor heating both upstairs and down (upside down living). Upstairs is open plan so floor is technically one huge radiator Low temperature set for flow temperatures (3Oc/43c @ 12/-2) Once I changed delta T, the actual electricity consumed did drop and it's smoothed the operational watts/kWh used (down from 1.7kwh to 1.5kwh as shown on the heat pump instantaneous usage) today temp @6.4 when changing settings. Obviously flow temperature went up but no increase in energy consumption, if anything dropped down. Basically turning down the delta T has smoothed the energy consumption and slightly lowered the khw instantaneous use. Warmer floor/house due the slight 2 degree increase of flow temperature. I certainly would not recommend this for any other household. More concerned if reducing the delta T of the inverter pump will this cause any major issues? Very limited information about this topic (if any) gen 6 inverter Delta T on the web. Indeed it's stunning the variation of the recommend settings for the Gen 6 Samsung heat pump. Feel sorry for installers as the recommend settings vary widely from one organisation to the next (underfloor heating flow quoted as: 35/40 @ 15/2 or 25/40 15/-10 or 30/45 13/-2 take your pick). Original setting of 35/40. Have to thank Graham for his video and guidance about Samsung weather compensation settings. Strangely turning the flow temperature down from 35 to 30 actually made the floor feel warmer....unless of course I'm imagining things... certainly no difference to comfort levels but reduced KWH used. The heat pump does seem to short cycle when it gets close to design temp of 13/30oC However being digital inverter driven I'm assuming this is not a huge issue?

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27/04/2023 6:51 pm

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@derek-m the LWT is 32 whilst the return is 29 ( 1 Deg difference from original delta T5). As the additional 1oC is on the return (originally 5) I'm assuming we have gained an extra 1oC..?

As mentioned we have underfloor heating throughout the house. So I'm assuming the whole floor area (less plasterboard internal walls ) is one huge emitter?

Would the lower delta T be an issue for the heat pump? Is their any benefit to having a lower delta T. I'm assuming not as the floor is acting as one large emitter?

Fully understanding what is happening within a central heating system is not that simple, I often have to go back to basics and think it through myself.

A simple example is a 3 bar electric fire, the energy source, the electricity supply, transfers 3 kW of energy into the electrical elements, which emit 3 kW of heat energy into the surroundings. If the present heat loss of the room is 2 kW, then the room temperature will start to increase, but if the heat loss of the room is 4 kW, the room temperature will start to fall. Running the electric fire for 1 hour will consume 3 kWh of electrical energy and emit 3 kWh of heat energy.

It may be best to consider your heating system as two distinct, but connected parts, the energy source, in your case the heat pump, and the energy emitters, which is the UFH. Connecting the two together is the pipework etc., with water being used as a transfer medium to convey the heat energy from the source to the emitters.

It takes approximately 1.16 Watts of energy to heat 1 litre of water by 1C, so if water at 35C is flowing into your UFH, at a rate of 20 litres/min, there is potentially 1.16 x 35 x 20 = 812 Watts of heat energy available. Of course, not all this heat energy is absorbed by the heat emitters and dissipated, so if the RWT is 32C, the amount of energy emitted will be 1.16 x (35 - 32) x 20 = 69.6 Watts. Over a 1 hour period this will equate to 4.176 kWh of heat energy.

The quantity of heat energy being absorbed and emitted by the UFH, is primarily dictated by the LWT coming from the heat pump. The higher the water temperature, the greater the heat transfer rate. If the flow rate is the same at 20 lpm, but the LWT is increased to 38C, and the quantity of heat energy being emitted is now 5 kWh, the RWT will be given by 38 - (5000 / 60 / 20 / 1.16) = 34.4C. The DeltaT between LWT and RWT has now increased from 3C to 3.6C.

If the water flow rate is now reduced to 10 lpm, the quantity of heat energy being emitted will be about the same since the LWT is still 38C. The calculated RWT will therefore be 38 - (5000 / 60 / 10 / 1.16) = 30.8C. The DeltaT between LWT and RWT has now increased from 3.6C to 7.2C.

So I think it is possible to conclude that LWT affects the quantity of heat energy being transferred and dissipated, and the flow rate dictates the expected DeltaT.

Looking at the other end of the equation, for the heat pump to produce more heat energy, it will need to increase the LWT, which it does by making the compressor work harder. If the water flow rate remains the same as before at 20 lpm, the cooler RWT will require more heat energy to increase the water temperature from 34.4C up to 38C as in the above example.

As can be seen above, lowering the flow rate from 20 lpm to 10 lpm, causes the DeltaT to become even greater, so the heat pump now needs to increase the water temperature from 30.8C back up to 38C, but because the volume of water has been halved, the quantity of heat energy remains the same.

I hope that the above makes sense, but please feel free to ask for clarification.

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27/04/2023 6:53 pm

Posted by: @andymc

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@derek-m the LWT is 32 whilst the return is 29 ( 1 Deg difference from original delta T5). As the additional 1oC is on the return (originally 5) I'm assuming we have gained an extra 1oC..?

As mentioned we have underfloor heating throughout the house. So I'm assuming the whole floor area (less plasterboard internal walls ) is one huge emitter?

Would the lower delta T be an issue for the heat pump? Is their any benefit to having a lower delta T. I'm assuming not as the floor is acting as one large emitter?

Sorry, I forgot to answer your final question.

Having a lower DeltaT just means that your water flow rate is higher than is necessary to achieve the required energy transfer. I think that most heat pump manufacturers specify a minimum water flow rather than a maximum one.

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