Well I'm guessing that the temp sensor is positioned where it has access to the surrounding air, but isn't within the air-stream which gets drawn through the unit.
You'll need to place your sensor in a similar position.
- out of the rain/frost
- not directly touching a piece of metal casing
Perhaps the problem is that the Daikin sensor has 'come adrift' from its mountings, and is no longer able to accurately reflect the true air temperature.
Save energy... recycle electrons!
@transparent Would it just have the 1 sensor that gives me my digital reading on main screen because that said something like2degrees at 5am.
I don't expect they'll use more than 1 temp sensor on the outside unit.
Look at your graph.
There are three areas of interest
The red sector is clearly below zero, which was probably the setting on your controller.
The BUH continues to operate in the amber sector...
... until the sensor reports that the ambient air temp is 5°C
Save energy... recycle electrons!
@transparent actually missed that graph was freezing, was only looking around 4am. hopefully so by changing setting to minus 4 it wont kick in. Thought it would only kick in if i was calling for heat and heat pump couldn't mange without the back up. Didnt envisage it ever kicking in tbh and def not when heat wasnt needed.
Like any other domestic 'frost-stat', the BUH temperature system is there to protect your pipes from freezing.
It has no concept of whether 'heat is required or not'.
The key temperature is +4°C That's when the volume of the water is greatest.
If the water in your pipes has frozen and then melts, the point at which a 'burst' occurs is +4°C not 0°C
It's only safe to lower the set-point to -4°C if there's anti-freeze (ethylene glycol) in the mix.
Save energy... recycle electrons!
@transparent oh yeah i get you now, the flow wasnt for loops just o keep stuff from freezing, do ye mean antifreeze in ufh water thats going to loops or antifreeze in some part of the unit, plumber or daikin installer, who would put it in just s i know who to ring?
Posted by: @newhouse87@transparent oh yeah i get you now, the flow wasnt for loops just o keep stuff from freezing, do ye mean antifreeze in ufh water thats going to loops or antifreeze in some part of the unit, plumber or daikin installer, who would put it in just s i know who to ring?
To test if this is the cause of energy consumption, set the temperature down so that the heat pump stops, as you do with the overnight setback, then increase the Equilibrium Temperature setting above the present outside air temperature. There could be another sensor actually attached to the pipework, rather than the air temperature sensor, which is initiating the frost protection, so there may be a delay before it operates, since the pipework may have to cool down.
I forgot to mention. Have a look at the manual for the controller, there may be an icon on the controller display which indicates if the BUH is operating.
so do you mean set equilibrium temperature to like 10deg overnight? Would that not mean its v likely to come on then? I can look at actuators in sensors settings when heat pump is running, i looked this morning and pump and compressor were def on and i think buh said on aswell, if it happens again i will know to look out for it. NO icon on manual for buh active.Posted by: @derek-mPosted by: @newhouse87@transparent oh yeah i get you now, the flow wasnt for loops just o keep stuff from freezing, do ye mean antifreeze in ufh water thats going to loops or antifreeze in some part of the unit, plumber or daikin installer, who would put it in just s i know who to ring?
To test if this is the cause of energy consumption, set the temperature down so that the heat pump stops, as you do with the overnight setback, then increase the Equilibrium Temperature setting above the present outside air temperature. There could be another sensor actually attached to the pipework, rather than the air temperature sensor, which is initiating the frost protection, so there may be a delay before it operates, since the pipework may have to cool down.
No, I didn't mean set the ET to 10C overnight, I meant to try the test now before you go to bed. Initiate a setback so that the heat pump is stopped, then increase the ET setting to see if the problem reappears. By doing so you will know if this is the cause of the problem.
@derek-m just changed it 5 minutes ago, no start of the pump yet anyway. Is it antifreeze in ufh water or actual unit you were talking about?
Posted by: @newhouse87@derek-m just changed it 5 minutes ago, no start of the pump yet anyway. Is it antifreeze in ufh water or actual unit you were talking about?
Unless you have a heat exchanger in your system, it is the same water that flows around the heating system, through the heat pump and through the UFH pipework.
- 26 Forums
- 2,342 Topics
- 53 K Posts
- 179 Online
- 6,000 Members
Join Us!
Worth Watching
Latest Posts
-
RE: Are We Sleepwalking Into Another Race to the Bottom?
…otherwise known as “hive got news for you”. And don’...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 7 hours ago
-
RE: Configuring third party dongle for Ecodan local control
Logically, I'll fall into that category so the natural ...
By Sheriff Fatman , 7 hours ago
-
RE: Controlling Daikin Altherma via P1P2 and Home Assistant
I haven’t got a Daikin but I have been having some fun ...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 8 hours ago
-
RE: Setback savings - fact or fiction?
@robs — thanks again for your detailed comments. Some r...
By cathodeRay , 10 hours ago
-
RE: Free Ecoheat Heat Pump Install
I don't mind thread drift, it's how conversation natura...
By Deltona , 12 hours ago
-
RE: A Smarter Smart Controller from Homely?
@papahuhu I hope you get a swift resolution. Regards, T...
By Toodles , 14 hours ago
-
RE: Poll for Time of Use, tariffs, technology
That’s fine by me too Major, I feel it is a sad reflect...
By Toodles , 15 hours ago
-
Bingo. Sometimes a judiciously placed size 10 bovver bo...
By Majordennisbloodnok , 16 hours ago
-
RE: Mitsubishi Ecodan 11.2kW heat pump with low COP
@ciocoiu-alexandru I can't provide the same level of di...
By Sheriff Fatman , 16 hours ago
-
RE: Octopus Cosy Heat Pump Owners & Discussion Thread
Recently had my follow up with octopus for the vibratio...
By swwils , 17 hours ago
-
The three technical issues I'm considering are: BMS...
By Transparent , 18 hours ago
-
RE: LiFePO4 lithium battery fires and explosions
@transparent Your post may fit better in th...
By Batpred , 18 hours ago
-
RE: British Gas vs Octopus Energy vs Heat Geek vs EDF vs Aira vs OVO vs EON.Next vs Boxt
@jamespawhite, if you could be bothered, you could also...
By Mars , 20 hours ago
-
RE: Commencing on an ASHP Installation Process
I've got a bit of time to draft something today, so the...
By Sheriff Fatman , 1 day ago
-
RE: Help with heat pump sizing
@amin I dont think materially relative to t...
By JamesPa , 2 days ago
-
@majordennisbloodnok I have decided to take the plunge....
By TechnoGeek , 2 days ago
-
RE: Different dT on each radiator?
I cant sorry. Its based on some calculations I did fro...
By JamesPa , 2 days ago
-
RE: Help me keep the faith with my air source heat pump installation
@simonf thats interesting as I’ve noticed my flow and r...
By AdamK , 3 days ago





