Grant Aerona 10kW ASHP: beginner and really don't understand!
Hi everyone. I'm new to the forum and to ASHPs (although I know how they work in principle) and not all that techy so please bear with me.
We moved into a 4 bed new build in August. It has a very high level of insulation and came with the Grant 10kW ASHP. We have UFH downstairs and rads upstairs. All the rooms downstairs have individual room thermostats and just one on the landing to control temperature to the upstairs rads. It was installed by the developer's heating contractor and not an ASHP specialist. Problem One!
Problem Two is the whole language of ASHP. It has its own lexicon and for a newbie like me having to Google abbreviations and try and find definitions is tedious, complicated and confusing. So please can I ask that any answers to the questions are in plain English as I can't be the only one embarking on a whole new journey with no map! Everyone was new to this once!
I have started taking a deep interest now in its performance. We only have a standard electricity Smart meter supplied by EOn (came with the house) so its hard to get an accurate idea of what the ASHP is using on its own as there's obviously all the other electrical stuff included. Readings for November tell me that we have used 985kW at a cost of £191, and since we moved in in August we have used 3288kW at a cost of £431. I have no idea if these numbers are good or bad!
The Grant Aerona 10kW has a default design flow temperature (not entirely sure what this actually is) as stated on the commissioning form of 55degC. I spoke to Grants this morning and I got the impression from them that this is fixed. Is this correct? Hot water is separate apparently and is set by the thermostat in the hot water cyclinder. Its boiling hot! You have to add a lot of cold to make it workable and this seems mad. Must be so inefficient.They seemed to think that 55 -60 was about right and thought my idea of turning it down to 50 or less was not ideal, and started going on about thermostats and various gadgets in the tank that would need adjusting. We have an automatic boost that ups the temperature once a week to get rid of legionella.
So Q1: Can the householder turn the hot water temperature down (bearing in mind I'm not techy and slightly intimidated by all the infrastructure staring at me when I open the cupboard under the stairs!) or would we better off getting a Grant engineer to come round and get it set up properly?
I have also seen on this forum and from Mars' site that many of you seem to be able to collect tons of data to monitor the efficiency of your setups. I have no idea how I could do this with only a basic Smart meter. CoP is something I would really like to monitor. The ASHP box outside states it has a CoP of 3.12 at 55deg C but it seems a lot of you are able to monitor the operational CoP (theory is one thing -Â performance in operation quite another!) I asked Grants about this and they said its a complicated thing to work out with many variables and not just a case of plugging numbers into a formula.
So Q2: How are you all working out your own operational CoPs? Can the average householder (ie me!) do this. I'm well versed in numbers - its just I have no idea where to find the data to do it and then what to do with it.
On the subject of data, I have also noticed on this forum that some of you clever people are able to monitor the energy use of your heating and hot water separately and can produce some splendid graphs.
So Q3: Where do I find these data?
I have graually been tweeking the room thermostats to try and get them as low as I can to still be comfortable. Downstairs (UFH) are set at 20deg C everywhere except the living room which is set until 16.00hrs and then up to 21deg till 22.30hrs in the evening. Same with the landing thermostat which controls all the rads upstairs. There is only so much tweeking of these you can do to cut down on the energy use.
So Q4: Is this the right way to go about it?
I think that's all I can think of at the moment. I know there will be more as time goes by!
Apologies for the long post but with the temperature dropping I have spent the last few days thinking abut its efficiency and what I can do to improve it.
Many thanks for your time and patience.
Kind regards, Dawn
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Honestly, the first and most important step is to find the controller for the ASHP - do you know where this is?
Hi @dawnrg - welcome to the forums. @batalto is correct. You will need to find the control panel for our heat pump first – this will control everything your heat pump does. Once you have that, we can try to figure things out.
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I've also just contacted Grant to see if they can help.
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Hi Dawn,
Welcome to the forum. Don't apologise for a long post, the more information that you can provide the better.
Grant would appear to be 'really helpful'. 🤨Â
If you can confirm that your heat pump is a HPID10R32 and that you have a manual, that would be a good start. Also see if you have the remote controller, as shown in section 7 of the manual.
@derek-m Hi Derek it is indeed this model. I downloaded all the manuals off Grants website including the full installation manual and user manual (which isn't very helpful) before we moved in to start getting to grips with the beast. I plucked up courage this morning and opened up the control box to find that the installer hadn't bothered to even set the time!Â
Also thanks so so much to you all for coming to help me so soon. That's blown me away. ASHPs are a steep learning curve aren't they?! Dawn.
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Hi Dawn,
If you look at the installers manual, section 8.2 Weather Compensation on page 39 and section 9.9 Weather Compensation on page 52.
You may be asking 'what is weather compensation'. In basic terms, it automatically varies the water flow temperature with variation of the ambient air temperature, and in doing so tries to ensure that the heat pump is operating at maximum efficiency.
Water flow temperature, is the temperature of the water flowing around your radiators and/or UFH, the water being heated by the ASHP. The hotter the water, the harder the heat pump has to work to produce it. So for maximum efficiency it is necessary to keep the water flow temperature as low as possible, but still meet the heat demand.
If you have the remote controller easily accessible, you will probably find that your installer has left your system set for a fixed water flow temperature, and told you to control the indoor air temperature using the thermostats. Whilst this approach will work, it is far from ideal. If you read section 8.2, and study figure 8.4 and table 8.5, it will identify the 'group' and 'code' of the parameters that need to be adjusted for weather compensation to be enabled and used. Then read section 9, which explains how to make adjustments. You will need to use installer level access to be able to set and adjust the weather compensation.
I'm afraid my wife is about to drag me out to dinner (among all those sick people), just because it is my birthday, so I suggest that you read through the instructions and familiarise yourself with the controls, and we can continue when I am safely back home. 😀Â
@derek-m, have a terrific birthday dinner 🎂 🥳Â
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Hi Dawn,
I'm safely back from my ordeal, and I managed to limit my wife to two large glasses of Prosecco, otherwise she starts lusting after my body, AGAIN. 🙄
When time allows, if you would care to look at section 10.7 Display Monitor Function, and see if you can obtain the values of the parameters listed in table 10.3 Monitor display, it would be most useful. Take the readings whilst your ASHP is operating.
Posted by: @derek-mHi Dawn,
I'm safely back from my ordeal, and I managed to limit my wife to two large glasses of Prosecco, otherwise she starts lusting after my body, AGAIN. 🙄
When time allows, if you would care to look at section 10.7 Display Monitor Function, and see if you can obtain the values of the parameters listed in table 10.3 Monitor display, it would be most useful. Take the readings whilst your ASHP is operating.
TMI Derek 😮 🤣Â
Oh, and Happy Birthday 🥂Â
Hi Dawn,
The Grant controller is not very user friendly, so may take a little explaining.
It should be possible for you to lower the hot water temperature, but I would need a little more information to ensure that I provide the correct advice.
From what I can see reading through the manual, the only data that you can collect is as detailed in my previous message.
I'm afraid that you will not be able to produce pretty graphs, since the Grant heat pumps do not have the required facilities.
To be able to calculate the COP value, with any degree of accuracy, would require dedicated electricity meters along with a heat energy meter, which I don't think have been installed on your system.
To be able to provide the correct advice, it would be useful if you could supply information (manufacturer and model number) or closeup photo's of all the equipment in your system, controller, pumps, valves, buffer tank and all the equipment fitted to your hot water tank.
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Hi Dawn,
The Grant controller is not very user friendly, so it may take a little explaining.
It should be possible for you to lower the hot water temperature, but I would need a little more information to ensure that I provide the correct advice.
From what I can see reading through the manual, the only data that you can collect is as detailed in my previous message.
I'm afraid that you will not be able to produce pretty graphs, since the Grant heat pumps do not appear to have the required facilities.
To be able to calculate the COP value, with any degree of accuracy, would require dedicated electricity meters along with a heat energy meter, which I don't think have been installed on your system.
To be able to provide the correct advice, it would be useful if you could supply information (manufacturer and model number) or closeup photo's of all the equipment in your system, controller, pumps, valves, buffer tank and all the equipment fitted to your hot water tank.
It would also be useful to know the floor area and any heat loss calculations.
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