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 Jingle86
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Topic starter 25/01/2025 3:00 pm  

Dear all,

I currently have the setup below. 

- Zubadan PUHZ-SHW140 YHA (-BS) outdoor

- Ecodan ERST20C-VM2DR1.UK indoor

My dT is 10 around freezing temperatures, and I want to lower that by increasing the flow rate.

I adjusted the pump speed to 5 (maximum), but it doesn't give me a lot of flow. My outdoor unit supports a flow between 18 and 37 liters per minute, according to the specs. The max flow of my indoor unit is 27 liter per minute, but I only reach 21 liters per minute (probably piping, height resistance, etc). There is no button to control pump speed on the pump itself. The water pump is a Grundfos UMP3K 15-75-130. 

I see that there are other indoor units (E*PT 20X series for example) that have the exact same water pump, but according to the specs of those units they have a max flow of 35 liters per minute. Besides, when I look up the specs of the water pump on the website of Grundfos, the max flow of my pump is much higher than the 27 liters (or even the 35) per minute.

I think the pump speed is restricted by the indoor unit, even when it is on speed 5. Unplugging the CNPWM doesn’t set the water pump on max performance either.

Does anyone have ideas how to increase the flow by speeding up the pump (which should be possible according to the specs of the water pump)?



   
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 JohnR
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26/01/2025 9:50 pm  

1. Are all your radiator valves (both any thermostatic valves and the lockshield valves) fully open?

2. What diameter is your pipework to the radiators?

3. What size house?



   
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 Jingle86
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Topic starter 26/01/2025 10:54 pm  

@johnr 

Thanks for your reply.
Yes all radiators and floor heating is fully open. Pipes are 28mm or bigger. It is a 15kW heatpump used for both a big farmhouse and an apartment.

I think the 21 liter (out of the max 27) corresponds with the height resistance etc. I don’t think I can improve much on the piping and radiator sitution itself.
Therefore I am looking for alternative solutions to increase the flow. 


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 Gary
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27/01/2025 10:01 am  

I would give the Mitsubishi customer help line a call, the manual does say if you want to get max flow you will need to install an additional pump, see below.

Mitsubishi do recommend dT8 so you aren't miles away from that, you don't say why you want to decrease it from 10? 

 

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 Jingle86
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Topic starter 27/01/2025 12:40 pm  

Thanks for your reply.

Where did you find that table? The information in my installation manual is totally different (different flow rates, doesn’t say dT of 8 etc).

It mentions an additional pump. But what do they mean with that? Putting two pumps in series doesn’t result in extra flow, only in extra kPa.


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 Gary
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27/01/2025 1:44 pm  

@jingle86 Thats in the Ecodan ATW Databook Volume 6.0 

LIBRARY.MITSUBISHIELECTRIC.CO.UK "https://library.mitsubishielectric.co.uk/pdf/book/Ecodan_ATW_Databook_Vol.6_.0_.pdf#page-1."
Ecodan ATW Databook R290/R32 Vol.6.0 - Document Library - Mitsubishi Electric

 

No idea what they mean that's why I suggested calling the technical help line they are usually very helpful and its free.



   
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