PV without battery storage? - Solar Photovoltaic (PV)

RE: PV without battery storage?

ronin92 — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:12:32 +0000

@heat-pump-newbie If you have something like an iBoost and the ability to rearrange your consumption, you can consume a large part of your generation. I manage ~75%.

One problem is if the iBoost is retrofitted to a conventional tank with a top element only. That limits me to around 6 kWh before the top of the tank is entirely heated. I circumvent that by doing laundry in late morning and filling the washing machine drum with hot water to free up capacity. This trick also allows me to use cheaper gas heated water in the washing machine in winter rather than have the washing machine element heat the water.

The other trick is to dry washing indoors on racks in the conservatory while also running a dehumidifier. For each kWh I consume dehumidifying, I condense 2 kWh worth of water from my measurements and also avoid dumping the energy straight out of the house like with a tumble dryer so it serves as space heating. (I find running it in continuous mode gets better energy efficiency).

A reason I am considering batteries now is that diversion has only gained me the price of gas (which was around 3-4 p/kWh but much higher now) rather than its value as electricity.

RE: PV without battery storage?

HydroS — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 12:54:19 +0000

@heat-pump-newbie Correct. I have the simple but well built Solic200. Principle is exactly the same as the other devices like the iBoost but a bit older and doesn’t have the monitoring functionality. I’ve had mine for about 7 years now (pre-heat pump era).

The ideal situation for integrating with a heat pump setup is via a tank with two immersion ports. One for the heat pump, one for the PV diverter. My installers wouldn’t provide this (I am part of a trial with OVO and the installers were rubbish). Instead we have a timed relay switch that isolates the heat pump control of the immersion between 9am and 5pm. The reason for this is if the Solic (or other brand) is diverting electricity to the immersion and then the heat pump tries to do the same you get a 🤯 and the RCDs will trip. Some of the later heat pumps and PV diverters do have more integrated wiring panels to facilitate this operation more cleanly but not all.

In reality with the Solar PV my water is above 65 most days by mid-morning, even cloudy days like today, so I never need the heat pump to operate the immersion except for the odd day in the depths of winter when the heat pump needs some assistance, this is where my timed solution isn’t great and I’d prefer a tank like the Mixergy. But at £2000 for a tank I can’t justify the change (yet).

A battery connected to my PV, and topped up from the Grid, to run the heat pump (and a few other appliances) is my preferred solution. Much more efficient use of energy than an immersion running at a COP of 1.0

RE: PV without battery storage?

heat-pump-newbie — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:59:05 +0000

@julianc Ah - so by switching off the legionella the heat pump doesn't need to communicate with the immersion ? This is in the iboost faq: "The immersions must have thermostat controls but no electronic controls between the Solar iBoost+ and the immersion. Take care not to connect any devices with any electronic controls as these and the Solar iBoost+ will be damaged."

Maybe the controller should be set to not see the immersion at all ?

@hydros is this how your heat pump is set up - I remember seeing that you have one of these too?

RE: PV without battery storage?

JulianC — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:49:10 +0000

@heat-pump-newbie I chose the Solic 200 over the iBoost as it comes with a 10 year warranty, is built In Britain like a battleship. It doesn’t provide any data. Just fit and forget. An alternative now is the Harvi from myenergi which integrates with the Zappi via the Hub.
I switch off the legionella cycle on my Daikin as the Solic via immersion heater get the water to 80C (I need to step this down to 65C) in my Mixergy. I set the ASHP to top up overnight. But it doesn’t need to in the sunny summer

RE: PV without battery storage?

heat-pump-newbie — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 16:15:29 +0000

@editor sounds perfect !

@julianc do you have one of these ? you have a similar Daikin to mine. Or is that what your Solec 200 is?

RE: PV without battery storage?

Mars — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 14:48:19 +0000

@heat-pump-newbie, the iBoost doesn't interfere with anything and it runs independently of everything. You get a control box that goes in the room where the HW tank is and that wires into the immersion. You then get a separate "unit" that clamps onto your mains cable leading into your consumer box. This unit checks which way the electricity is "flowing" so if you're importing energy, it does nothing. If you're exporting it checks in with the unit near the HW cylinder – if the hot water is below its target temperature (not what's set by your heat pump, but what's set by the dial on your immersion) it'll divert electricity to the immersion and heat water. So your heat pump can be off, and it'll still heat water. That's what we've been doing for a few weeks. The heating goes off in the morning, we have our showers and the water is reheated via the iBoost.

RE: PV without battery storage?

heat-pump-newbie — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 10:40:04 +0000

@editor That's great, thanks. So the iBoost can just be wired in to the system, does it interfere with the heat pump controls? Mine is a Daikin Altherma 3, it only uses the immersion for the legionella cycle or if I request a boost to the DHW (which is v rare!)

RE: PV without battery storage?

Mars — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:55:59 +0000

Posted by: @heat-pump-newbie

Ah, yes I see what you mean - I'm just getting used to these graphs and the terminology. Does the SolarEdge give graphs that show an average over 24 hours - I mean showing a typical daily usage pattern ?

Yes, it does. It also give you an hourly breakdown which is very helpful. This is for yesterday.

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RE: PV without battery storage?

Mars — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:34:15 +0000

Posted by: @heat-pump-newbie

Another question ! Would I be able to have the PV power linked straight into my heat pump's immersion with some clever wiring and a switch ?

We use the iBoost to do that but there are many different products on the market. Instead of sending excess production to the grid, it diverts that power to the immersion.

https://www.marlec.co.uk/product/solar-iboost/

RE: PV without battery storage?

heat-pump-newbie — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:20:48 +0000

Another question ! Would I be able to have the PV power linked straight into my heat pump's immersion with some clever wiring and a switch ?