I was very pleased to hear that GivEnergy are planning to move at least some of their production from China back to the UK. Whilst I realise that many people mainly consider the price when buying such systems, I am always happy to pay a little extra to get a quality product, that is not supporting a country and regime that could turn out to be another Putin and Russia in the future.

@jeff

Thanks for the data.

One of the acute problems with the UK electricity system is that it is being run for profit by a number of boards of directors, who may not care about global warming or the energy crises, provided that it does not affect profits.

I note that SSE are making all the right noises, but are in some ways blackmailing the government and the taxpayers, into guaranteeing their future profits.

As I have stated before, critical infrastructure such as energy supply industries should never have been privatised. We are now paying the price for lack of forward planning and adequate investment.

It is what it is now. 

We will ultimately have to rely on the government of the day and regulators to make decisions they think are appropriate in terms of controlling the commercial companies

The recent Energy Prices Bill which is now law gives some confidence the government is willing to intervene. It has legislated to break the link of pricing electricity to the gas electricity generation price, and to cap the price of the old non fossil fuel contracts that were far too generous for example. A small step in the right direction.

My MP is now heading up BEIS. Grant Shapps. Hopefully we will see more of things like this. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-introduces-new-energy-prices-bill-to-ensure-vital-support-gets-to-british-consumers-this-winter#:~:text=The%20Energy%20Prices%20Bill%2C%20introduced,Bill%20Relief%20Scheme%20for%20businesses

Thanks for the data.

One of the acute problems with the UK electricity system is that it is being run for profit by a number of boards of directors, who may not care about global warming or the energy crises, provided that it does not affect profits.

I note that SSE are making all the right noises, but are in some ways blackmailing the government and the taxpayers, into guaranteeing their future profits.

As I have stated before, critical infrastructure such as energy supply industries should never have been privatised. We are now paying the price for lack of forward planning and adequate investment.

Posted by: @jeff

Current thoughts on  LDES Long Duration Energy Storage in the UK

- How many GW will we need, i have seen 24GW quoted for example for net zero?

-  What technologies do they think will be popular?

- What financial incentives will be needed to get it built?

LDES is 4 hour plus. 

Hi Jeff,

Is that 24GW or 24GWh?

LDES at 4 hours and 24GW, would require 96GWh of storage. Which would equate to approximately 120GWh of battery storage at 80% discharge.

It is a good question. Search LDES. Quite a bit going on. 

24GW came from this work. You would need to dig to answer the question. I haven't looked 

https://www.sserenewables.com/news-and-views/2022/02/new-report-calls-for-urgent-investment-in-long-duration-electricity-storage/

This is some of the government work going on

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/longer-duration-energy-storage-demonstration-programme-successful-projects

Also work going on with funding via cap and floor scheme. 

https://www.sserenewables.com/news-and-views/2022/04/sse-renewables-renews-call-for-policy-action-on-long-duration-energy-storage/

Big players getting involved in LDES generally

https://www.ldescouncil.com/

Overall i am quite positive about storage. Given the right incentives i am sure it will be built.

Am also quite positive about generation, there is a huge amount of new offshore wind at various stages while the country chats away about new on shore wind. There is a possibility new onshore wind may simply become irrelevant as time ticks on as offshore races ahead.

Current thoughts on  LDES Long Duration Energy Storage in the UK

- How many GW will we need, i have seen 24GW quoted for example for net zero?

-  What technologies do they think will be popular?

- What financial incentives will be needed to get it built?

LDES is 4 hour plus. 

Hi Jeff,

Is that 24GW or 24GWh?

LDES at 4 hours and 24GW, would require 96GWh of storage. Which would equate to approximately 120GWh of battery storage at 80% discharge.

Hi Mars,

Earlier today the wholesale price of electricity went negative, dropping as low as -£59.17/MWh at one point. The wholesale price was negative from 00:00 to 06:00, so not for a brief period. For all this period the UK was exporting to France approximately 3GW each hour, and at the same time was producing over 3.5GW from fossil fuel generation.

Whilst I am in favour of the UK helping out our neighbours during this energy crisis, should we actually be paying for the privilege? 🙄 

- How many GW will we need, i have seen 24GW quoted for example for net zero?

-  What technologies do they think will be popular?

- What financial incentives will be needed to get it built?

LDES is 4 hour plus.