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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-solar-thermal-st/solar-thermal-with-combi-boiler/paged/3/#post-40552</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[We too can help with which pipes go where and the definition of &#039;cold water&#039;.
That unit from BES is bound to be more expensive because it&#039;s based on a 1-inch connection.That&#039;s the same for ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We too can help with which pipes go where and the definition of 'cold water'.</p>
<p>That unit from BES is bound to be more expensive because it's based on a 1-inch connection.<br />That's the same for almost all plumbing fittings.<br />The devices to fit 15mm and 22mm pipes will be much cheaper than that for 1-inch or 28mm.</p>
<p>When using a thermostatic valve to mix hot &amp; cold water, the main point is to ensure that the hot and cold inputs are approximately the same <span style="text-decoration: underline">pressure</span>.<br />The valve will struggle to output water at the set-point if the cold feed is running at twice the pressure of the hot!</p>
<p>Here's a mixer valve at the top of my thermal store:</p>
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<p>Both the hot-input and the cold-input are derived from the <span style="text-decoration: underline">same source</span>, and are therefore at the same pressure.</p>
<p>The only difference is that the hot pipe has picked up heat from the body of water within the thermal store.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 17:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thank you @johnmo and @transparent .
I prefer the look of the Atmos version, and the price!. I see that this one from BES has a separate cold water feed to always limit the solar thermal wa...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you @johnmo and @transparent .</p>
<p>I prefer the look of the Atmos version, and the price!. I see that this one from BES has a separate cold water feed to always limit the solar thermal water temperature, and the definitions of 'cold water' and 'hot water' (for the temperature operating ranges) confuse me since there are multiple different hot water and cold water lines. But I can phone the company to query this.</p>
<p>On a different subject, does a direct water heater merely 'kick in' when it senses a pressure change caused by water draw-off? Or is it more complicated.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I feel much happier now that you&#039;ve suggested that part from BES @johnmo

And I note the footnote on their page that the mixer-valve portion can be adjusted 30°C - 65°C
My own house has a...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel much happier now that you've suggested <a href="https://www.bes.co.uk/thermostatic-solar-valve-kit-with-bypass-21082/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">that part from BES</a> @johnmo</p>
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<p>And I note the footnote on their page that the mixer-valve portion can be adjusted 30°C - 65°C</p>
<p>My own house has an overall mixer set at 45°C<br />and the showers can go lower still if you wish.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>May I also point out that the water temperature in the manifold of a solar-thermal array can go far higher than 100°C if it's only being drawn off 'on demand' from a pressurised system.</p>
<p>I don't think there are mandatory safety regulations about this, but common sense suggests:</p>
<ul>
<li>use only pipes made of metal (copper or stainless steel)</li>
<li>don't use push-fit connectors</li>
<li>ensure that the pressure/temperature relief valve directs its outlet somewhere safe</li>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-solar-thermal-st/solar-thermal-with-combi-boiler/paged/3/#post-40493</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 11:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[This is the part I actually used, it has a mixer valve as part of the assembly]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the part I actually used, it has a mixer valve as part of the assembly </p>
<p> </p>
<p>https://www.bes.co.uk/thermostatic-solar-valve-kit-with-bypass-21082/</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 11:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@johnmo I hadn&#039;t previously heard of such a diverter. &#x1f642; 
@anr  before you fit one, have a look at Building Regulations; Approved Document G, and particularly Section 3.64 onwards.Th...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johnmo I hadn't previously heard of such a diverter. &#x1f642; </p>
<p>@anr  before you fit one, have a look at <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66f6c6ce3b919067bb4828cc/ADG_with_2024_amendments.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Building Regulations; Approved Document G</a>, and particularly Section 3.64 onwards.<br />Those paragraphs contain guidance on excessively hot water and prevention of scalding.</p>
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<p> </p>
<p>It is still the case that if you wish to install DHW in an <span style="text-decoration: underline">existing</span> dwelling which can scald the inhabitants, then you are permitted to do so. &#x1f928; </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks @johnmo  
That water diverter is the component that I wanted to know about.
It looks solid state. I wonder how it works.
Andrew]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks <a title="Johnmo" href="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/participant/johnmo">@johnmo</a>  </p>
<p>That water diverter is the component that I wanted to know about.</p>
<p>It looks solid state. I wonder how it works.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2025 15:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[ASHP - air source heat pump 
PDHW - priory demand hot water. So heating the hot water cylinder on priority over heating, but more importantly allows different flow temperature for central h...]]></description>
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<p>ASHP and PDHW please</p>
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<p>ASHP - air source heat pump </p>
<p>PDHW - priory demand hot water. So heating the hot water cylinder on priority over heating, but more importantly allows different flow temperature for central heating and cylinder heating. </p>
<p style="text-align: left">Not what I used but a simple diverter like this, looks ideal</p>
<p>https://atmos-i.co.uk/boiler-spares/15mm-solar-diverter-valve/</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Nor me...
... at best I&#039;m an engineer who gets into hot water.
 
Here&#039;s diagrams to show how solar thermal can be integrated into both a DHW cylinder or a thermal store.

For the purpos...]]></description>
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<p>I am not a hot water engineer</p>
<p></p>
<p>Nor me...</p>
<p>... at best I'm an engineer who gets into hot water.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Here's diagrams to show how solar thermal can be integrated into both a DHW cylinder or a thermal store.</p>
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<p>For the purposes of understanding the theory, it matters not whether the main heat source is a Heat Pump or a Boiler.</p>
<p>But the solar-thermal coil is usually the bottom one when you have a multi-coil cylinder.</p>
<p>I have a 300-litre thermal store,<br />which has appreciable thermal layering of water within the cylinder, assisted by internal baffles.</p>
<p>I can draw water from the bottom section for UFH,<br />and get 46°C from the DHW coil at the top.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks @johnmo  
I&#039;m sorry, but there are some acronyms that I am not familiar with. Could you expand ASHP and PDHW please?
Also, when you say that you used/need &#039;a diverter&#039; for summer to...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks @johnmo  </p>
<p>I'm sorry, but there are some acronyms that I am not familiar with. Could you expand ASHP and PDHW please?</p>
<p>Also, when you say that you used/need 'a diverter' for summer to stop the gas from firing, would you tell me what one of these is exactly please? Is it just a manual valve, or is it some electronic control that monitors water temperature?</p>
<p>Thanks once again for responding.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Solar thermal with combi boiler</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2025 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[When I had the combi connected as per a combi (now system conversion, ASHP hybrid), it was run as preheat of the cold water prior to entering the combi. In winter you can heat the preheat cy...]]></description>
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<p><a title="Johnmo" href="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/participant/johnmo">johnmo</a> seems to have done it <strong>by diverting the water from the solar thermal-fed cylinder</strong></p>
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<p>When I had the combi connected as per a combi (now system conversion, ASHP hybrid), it was run as preheat of the cold water prior to entering the combi. In winter you can heat the preheat cylinder via central heating and get same benefits even when the sun doesn't come to play. The combi has way less work to do so consumption comes down, but importantly for me, flow rate as a consequence increases, by a big margin. Could feed 3 showers at the same time from a combi.</p>
<p>In summer you need a diverter to stop water entering the combi, then you get zero gas usage DHW.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>But if you have room do an unvented cylinder, convert the combi to be either S or Y plan or more ideally PDHW. Do a normal thermal insulation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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