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                        <title>RE: Vaillant - Downstairs radiators not getting warm</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2025 07:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@samiebon1 
 
When adjusting lockshields its worth bearing in mind that some have a tiny range over which the adjustment makes any difference.   Sometimes half a turn or less takes it from...]]></description>
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<p>When adjusting lockshields its worth bearing in mind that some have a tiny range over which the adjustment makes any difference.   Sometimes half a turn or less takes it from fully closed to fully open.  This makes getting it 'right' quite tricky. </p>
<p>If you want to know more about this view Heat Geek on 'valve authority'.</p>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant - Downstairs radiators not getting warm</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2025 07:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@judith did you manage to solve heating the downstairs? Or are you upstairs still off? ... Or when you mean &#039;off&#039; do you mean the lock shields are only just open? &#x1f604;]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@judith did you manage to solve heating the downstairs? Or are you upstairs still off? ... Or when you mean 'off' do you mean the lock shields are only just open? &#x1f604;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant - Downstairs radiators not getting warm</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 22:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@samiebon1 our DHW gets to 48C with a heating temp of ~55C within ~ 45mins but it’s not usually empty (residual ~35 in bottom third of tank).
The layout of our house meant that some upstair...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@samiebon1 our DHW gets to 48C with a heating temp of ~55C within ~ 45mins but it’s not usually empty (residual ~35 in bottom third of tank).</p>
<p>The layout of our house meant that some upstairs radiators had to be virtually off to ensure the flow went on to downstairs or else the bedroom radiator took all the water.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant - Downstairs radiators not getting warm</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@jamespa thanks James! Ive read through the manuals and found the Eco DHW setting on the Heat Pump controller. I&#039;ve set it to Manual to see if that gives me the energy in tonight charge cycl...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@jamespa thanks James! Ive read through the manuals and found the Eco DHW setting on the Heat Pump controller. I've set it to Manual to see if that gives me the energy in tonight charge cycle.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant - Downstairs radiators not getting warm</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[DHW flow temp is completely separate to space heating flow temp.  The offset is added to the target DHW temp to get the FT for DHW.  15K should be ample in principle although the cylinder su...]]></description>
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<p>I think the pipe work and 3 way valve is ok from what I can see/read up. I had wondered if it's the settings - I have weather adaptation on so at the moment it's ~40deg flow, and my DHW offset is 15k (was 10k). Would this 55deg flow around the cylinder be enough to get up to target 48deg water temp?</p>
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<p>The installer has arranged to come Monday so at least it's pencilled in!</p>
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<p>DHW flow temp is completely separate to space heating flow temp.  The offset is added to the target DHW temp to get the FT for DHW.  15K should be ample in principle although the cylinder supplied has a relatively small area coil (1.6 sq m) compared to 3 sq m often recommended.  That said so does the Vaillant 150l cylinder!  Feels to me like something is wrong, suggest you check the pipe temps near the DHW cylinder if you can!</p>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 19:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I think the pipe work and 3 way valve is ok from what I can see/read up. I had wondered if it&#039;s the settings - I have weather adaptation on so at the moment it&#039;s ~40deg flow, and my DHW offs...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the pipe work and 3 way valve is ok from what I can see/read up. I had wondered if it's the settings - I have weather adaptation on so at the moment it's ~40deg flow, and my DHW offset is 15k (was 10k). Would this 55deg flow around the cylinder be enough to get up to target 48deg water temp?</p>
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<p>The installer has arranged to come Monday so at least it's pencilled in!</p>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant - Downstairs radiators not getting warm</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[That happened with my installation. Whoever had been sent to the plumbing suppliers to buy various parts got the wrong type of valve. Once the system was running I noticed that one of the up...]]></description>
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<p>I suppose its not possible that the installer has fitted a normal 3 way valve instead of a diverter valve (you would know as your heating would be on simultaneously with your DHW). </p>
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<p>That happened with my installation. Whoever had been sent to the plumbing suppliers to buy various parts got the wrong type of valve. Once the system was running I noticed that one of the upstairs radiators was getting warm when the DHW was being heated. That was convection flow as the circulating pump wasn't running.</p>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant - Downstairs radiators not getting warm</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 17:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[OK so downstairs is &#039;after&#039; upstairs.  You may have to throttle down the LSVs upstairs, increase the pump head if thats an option, and open up (if you can) the LSVs downstairs.  As @toodles ...]]></description>
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<p>As far as I can tell they have been bled (water comes out when I bleed them). Theyre on the same primary as upstairs - 22mm copper running along upstairs, then down. Could anything be done with the 'remaining feed head' setting or is that a non starter?</p>
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<p>OK so downstairs is 'after' upstairs.  You may have to throttle down the LSVs upstairs, increase the pump head if thats an option, and open up (if you can) the LSVs downstairs.  As @toodles says there could be an air lock, Vaillant has  a 'purge' function in the installer menu which my installer said was supposed to deal with this (presumably by whacking the water pump up to max).</p>
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<p>Its a 150L 'UK Cylinders' heat pump tank. Its got a 3 hour window to heat in from ~36 to 48 deg so shouldn't take that long.</p>
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<p>No it shouldn't, nowhere near!</p>
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<p>Here is my 200l tank reheating today from/to about the same temperature.  22mm diameter feeds teeing off the 28mm primaries from the heat pump.  I have a 7kW Vaillant.  Something definitely wrong with yours, can you tell what temp the pipes are to and at the DHW tank and what diameter are they?  I suppose its not possible that the installer has fitted a normal 3 way valve instead of a diverter valve (you would know as your heating would be on simultaneously with your DHW) </p>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@samiebon1 Sounds as though the output from the heatpump is being throttled back in some way. If the system was sized appropriately, then all the radiators should be supplied with sufficient...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@samiebon1 Sounds as though the output from the heatpump is being throttled back in some way. If the system was sized appropriately, then all the radiators should be supplied with sufficient heat to bring them to temperature readily. There may be a blockage / restriction in the flow before the pipework descends to the ground floor radiators. Possibly an air lock; have you information on the consumption and how long the heat pump is running and idling? It is worth checking up on these points. Regards, Toodles.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 16:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@jamespa As far as I can tell they have been bled (water comes out when I bleed them). Theyre on the same primary as upstairs - 22mm copper running along upstairs, then down. Could anything ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jamespa As far as I can tell they have been bled (water comes out when I bleed them). Theyre on the same primary as upstairs - 22mm copper running along upstairs, then down. Could anything be done with the 'remaining feed head' setting or is that a non starter?</p>
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<p>Its a 150L 'UK Cylinders' heat pump tank. Its got a 3 hour window to heat in from ~36 to 48 deg so shouldn't take that long.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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