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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 12:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@drew-pa Ah thanks. Good to know I dont have a misconception about it.
On Energy Stats Uk Mick Wall gives a rough way of setting the correct curve.
A more detailed equation (TFlow = a * (H...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@drew-pa Ah thanks. Good to know I dont have a misconception about it.</p>
<p>On Energy Stats Uk (https://energy-stats.uk/vaillant-arotherm-weather-curve-information/) Mick Wall gives a rough way of setting the correct curve.</p>
<p>A more detailed equation (TFlow = a * (HC * (Tset - Tout))b + Tset) is given on the Open Energy Monitor forum. (https://community.openenergymonitor.org/t/vaillant-arotherm-owners-thread/21891/83?page=5)</p>
<p>Ive used that to reproduce a more accurate table of flow temperatures for curves at desired room temperatures at -3C OAT</p>
<p>I will paste it below for anyone interested in the future.</p>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 18:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You are correct.  I just tend to over simplify things.  We’ve never had it not reach temperature; it seems to just take longer the lower the curve number is.  With the Vaillant system there ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct.  I just tend to over simplify things.  We’ve never had it not reach temperature; it seems to just take longer the lower the curve number is.  With the Vaillant system there is no option to adjust the temps individually so the curve is the only option we have to play with.  It may be worth trying to lower yours to 0.6 and seeing how it goes.  </p>
<p>simplistically, with ours the higher the number the higher the electrical bill.</p>
<p>Drew </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@drew-pa 
Thanks Drew
that isn’t how I understand it. To me the curve sets the “gradient” on the weather compensation chart. The desired room temperature moves that gradient up or down the...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@drew-pa </p>
<p>Thanks Drew</p>
<p>that isn’t how I understand it. To me the curve sets the “gradient” on the weather compensation chart. The desired room temperature moves that gradient up or down the flow temperature axis. <br /><br /></p>
<p>I’ve put gradient in inverted comments as I know that it isn’t a straight line. <br /><br /></p>
<p>I might be wrong but coming from a system where I enter the min and max flow temps for different outside air temperatures, it makes sense in my mind. <br /><br /></p>
<p>In that case, if too low a curve is selected, a room might never reach the desired temperature. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Dropping the curve won’t drop the temp, it just adjusts the time it takes to get there. (Well in my simple mind lol). 
Our present heat curve setting is 0.3. That’s been set by Vaillant usi...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dropping the curve won’t drop the temp, it just adjusts the time it takes to get there. (Well in my simple mind lol). <br /><br /></p>
<p>Our present heat curve setting is 0.3. That’s been set by Vaillant using the adaptive heat curve setting. Next time the system fires up I’ll check what the flow temp is for you.  <br /><br /></p>
<p>drew</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 12:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@drew-pa 
It is set on pure weather compensation at internal temperature of 22C. The unit runs 24hrs with a setback overnight. Theoretically that should be good for COP even if the electric...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@drew-pa </p>
<p>It is set on pure weather compensation at internal temperature of 22C. The unit runs 24hrs with a setback overnight. Theoretically that should be good for COP even if the electricity usage could be higher than running it for a shorter period.</p>
<p>I cant really drop the desired temperature or curve as the BIL's wife likes it warm. It was running at 20C initially but that didnt seem to help the COP greatly.</p>
<p>Your COP figure looks lovely. What sort of flow temperature are you using to get that high?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 12:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@hcas Hi , I appreciate the problems with comparing different systems, but this installation is relatively simple with no buffer/LLH. The estimated SCOP from the installers is 3.65 for heati...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hcas Hi , I appreciate the problems with comparing different systems, but this installation is relatively simple with no buffer/LLH. The estimated SCOP from the installers is 3.65 for heating so you would expect to beat that in the shoulder heating season.</p>
<p>I have no way of monitoring if it is cycling, but the heat pump isnt oversized for the property so I would be very surprised it it was. Apart from a couple of issues I wouldnt have done (eg gycol), it looks like a good install so Im very surprised to see such a low COP.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 06:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[These are our figures for the month of April.  With our settings, and specific to our property of course.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are our figures for the month of April.  With our settings, and specific to our property of course.  </p>
7234]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2024 06:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Apologies for the delay.
How is the unit set up to operate?  Are they running it a few times a day, or running it manually?  We found ours works at its most efficient if it is running in ma...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the delay.</p>
<p>How is the unit set up to operate?  Are they running it a few times a day, or running it manually?  We found ours works at its most efficient if it is running in manual mode(water and heating).  Just set the temp we want and leave it.  Might be worth a try, also try lowering the heat curve a little.  <br /><br /></p>
<p>Drew</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Vaillant Arotherm Settings for New Installation</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2024 20:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@bontwoody Comparing different units in different homes is not very straightforward...Is the Vaillant cycling a lot?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@bontwoody Comparing different units in different homes is not very straightforward...<br /><br />Is the Vaillant cycling a lot?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@hcas 
Ive opened all but the bedroom radiator valves, which they want to be cooler. Im running my Samsung at about 42C flow at the moment and still getting a COP of 3.8-4.0 so the Vaillant...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hcas </p>
<p>Ive opened all but the bedroom radiator valves, which they want to be cooler. Im running my Samsung at about 42C flow at the moment and still getting a COP of 3.8-4.0 so the Vaillant should really be doing a lot better than it is even at a FT of 38C.</p>
<p>Ive attached the COP as reported by the app and the Arotherm COP figures.</p>
<p> </p>
7225
7224
<p> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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