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                        <title>RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/surface-mount-or-bury-primaries/paged/2/#post-47372</link>
                        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2025 21:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@tomasmcguinness, I think your best bet would be using underground ducting. You can get pre-insulated pipe for the flow and return, plus an additional two ducts, one for the power cable and ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p data-start="103" data-end="116"><span>@tomasmcguinness, </span>I think your best bet would be using underground ducting. You can get pre-insulated pipe for the flow and return, plus an additional two ducts, one for the power cable and one for the data cable.</p>
<p data-start="314" data-end="553">At the ends, when everything comes up out of the ground, you can use press fittings to connect onto copper or, even better, insulated MLC pipe. If you go with copper, just make sure you insulate it properly with something like Primary Pro.</p>
<p data-start="555" data-end="736">There are a few different manufacturers out there, but City Plumbing stock the ducts… you just tell them the length you need, and they’ll cut it to size and can do next-day delivery.</p>
<p data-start="738" data-end="951">Also, make sure you get the proper end seals where the duct exits the ground. You basically heat it up with a heat gun and it seals the duct tight around any pipes, just like electrical heat shrink. It’s dead easy.</p>
<p data-start="953" data-end="1233">As for depth, 600mm is standard guidance to protect from frost and spade damage, but if you're struggling with that, going a bit shallower isn’t usually a big issue. Frost isn’t a real concern here since your flow and return will be in an insulated duct, unlike a mains water pipe. attached are some links and install guidance PDF.</p>
<p data-start="953" data-end="1233"><a href="https://www.multipipe.co.uk/solutions/pre-insulated-underground-pipes/">Pre-Insulated Underground Pipes</a></p>
<p data-start="953" data-end="1233"><a href="https://www.polypipe.com/housing/below-ground-drainage/pre-insulated-pipes/pre-insulated-pipes-fittings/pre-insulated-pipe-140mm-x-25mm-or-32mm-heat-shrink-cap-ins140-3225-2hsc">INS140-3225-2HSC - Pre Insulated Pipe 140mm x 25mm or 32mm Heat Shrink Cap | Polypipe</a></p>
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                        <title>RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2025 14:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Can we have some links to those you&#039;re considering please @tomasmcguinness ?!
I think we&#039;re basically going to say &quot;follow the manufacturer&#039;s instructions&quot;,but it would still be good to che...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we have some links to those you're considering please @tomasmcguinness ?!</p>
<p>I think we're basically going to say "<em>follow the manufacturer's instructions</em>",<br />but it would still be good to check out what those are.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2025 08:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[What about those pipes that include conduits for electrical cables such as Isoflow or Uponor?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about those pipes that include conduits for electrical cables such as Isoflow or Uponor?</p>
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                        <title>RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2025 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[What you run the cable through will affect its current rating (and hence voltage drop).
SWA is intended for direct burial in the ground... the wetter the better.You want any heat-loss from ...]]></description>
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<p>I was thinking of an SWA *in* the ducting.</p>
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<p>What you run the cable through will affect its current rating (and hence voltage drop).</p>
<p>SWA is intended for direct burial in the ground... the wetter the better.<br />You want any heat-loss from the cable to be conducted away into the surrounding soil.</p>
<p>Placing a cable inside an air-filled duct has the opposite effect.<br />The air acts as an insulating jacket. You've just made yourself an underground oven in a long tube. &#x1f625; </p>
<p>When you select the required cable size, you would usually enter the figures into an online calculator.<br />Here's <a href="https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/Charts/VoltageDrop.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">one on the website for TLC-Direct</a>.</p>
<p>That will tell you the cross-sectional area of the copper conductors you will require.</p>
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<p>Secondly, if you have any services at shallow depth, where they might get hit by a garden fork for example,<br />place some basic paving slabs above them.</p>
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<p>Although buried electrical cables <span style="text-decoration: underline">must</span> also have warning tape above them,<br />there's nothing like having the fork hit a 40mm piece of concrete slab to warn you there's something down there!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2025 18:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@tomasmcguinness HI, The rules is a best practise, the heating pipes do not come under the same rules as services such as gas and mains drinking water.
Mostly its for frost protection but w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tomasmcguinness HI, The rules is a best practise, the heating pipes do not come under the same rules as services such as gas and mains drinking water.</p>
<p>Mostly its for frost protection but when the pipes are only just below the surface it is advisable to well insulate above 100mm thickness to slow losses and mechanically protect if possible.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2025 10:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@tomasmcguinness bold choice on the Kronoterm. Nice! Will be very curious to see how it performs. Have heard very good things about them.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@tomasmcguinness bold choice on the Kronoterm. Nice! Will be very curious to see how it performs. Have heard very good things about them.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Current thinking is a Kronoterm Adapt. Doing the ground works myself (trench digging, base casting, that sort of thing). Then the professionals will finish the job. 
Presently, I&#039;m just exp...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current thinking is a Kronoterm Adapt. Doing the ground works myself (trench digging, base casting, that sort of thing). Then the professionals will finish the job. </p>
<p>Presently, I'm just exploring my options to get the water from the heat pump into the garage. </p>
<p>I'm constrained by the existing services, so I'm not sure how deep I'll actually manage. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2025 08:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@abernyte I was thinking of an SWA *in* the ducting. I&#039;m looking at a combined water and electrical pipe (uponor or isoflow for example).]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@abernyte I was thinking of an SWA *in* the ducting. I'm looking at a combined water and electrical pipe (uponor or isoflow for example).]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Surface mount or bury primaries for heat pump installation?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2025 07:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@tomasmcguinness, because ours runs under our driveway, and I was keen to avoid going too shallow in case it ever got damaged from heavy vehicle deliveries or future resurfacing.
As for gui...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@tomasmcguinness, because ours runs under our driveway, and I was keen to avoid going too shallow in case it ever got damaged from heavy vehicle deliveries or future resurfacing.
<p><span>As for guidance on insulation depth, the general 600mm recommendation is more about frost protection and physical damage prevention than some hard </span><span>and fast requirement (as far as I know anyway). If you’re using decent insulated pipework and you’re not in an area prone to severe frost, going a bit shallower (like 300–400mm) in tight spots should be fine. </span></p>
<p>In your case, I’d agree that shallow burial with good-quality pre-insulated pipework is a practical way forward. You could always add some additional foam lagging and a protective duct over the section that runs shallower, just to give it a bit of extra mechanical protection.</p>
<p><span>On the electrical side, the key thing is to use appropriately rated armoured cable, preferably in its own duct separate from the primary pipe, especially if it’s running alongside heat-carrying pipework. It’s also worth checking the manufacturer’s guidance… some kits include pre-bundled solutions, while others require cables to be run independently.</span></p>
<p><span>Out of interest, which heat pump are you going with? And who’s installing it? Always helpful context for others following your project too.</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2025 07:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Broadly, the electrical cable will need to be either earthed armoured or in a duct to prevent mechanical damage. Both need to be marked with the required tape.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broadly, the electrical cable will need to be either earthed armoured or in a duct to prevent mechanical damage. Both need to be marked with the required tape.</p>
<p>https://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-matters/years/2024/101-july-2024/buried-conduits-and-ducts/#:~:text=For%20public%20and%20private%20electrical,use%20as%20a%20protective%20conductor.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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