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									Samsung ASHP scheduling help - Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)				            </title>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/samsung-ashp-scheduling-help/paged/20/#post-42676</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2025 08:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@mike-h @broadsman

 
I did a little experiment last night and changed my water law setting to a flat 37C (WL-1) to verify if the controller configured as the thermostat still used this w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike-h @broadsman</p>
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<p>I wonder if your ability to keep room temperature at +/- 0.3C is because you have got your water law settings perfectly set rather than feedback from the controller.</p>
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<p>I did a little experiment last night and changed my water law setting to a flat 37C (WL-1) to verify if the controller configured as the thermostat still used this water law or calculated its own water temperatures based on the outside temperatures. It appears that the controller still uses the water law set in WL-1 in my case. The pump continuously runs due to the On /Off only setting in #2093 but the water outlet temperature basically stabilised at 37C for an outside temperature of 6.5C (should be around 44Cish).</p>
<p>In my case @mike-h your assumption is correct and my water law is set about right and is still being used.</p>
<p>This is not the behaviour implied in the video I posted in an earlier posting which indicates the pump "looks at the outside temperature and decides the required temperature to set your radiators to to achieve the indoor temperature set point. When the temperature is reached the pump is reduced to maintain the internal temperature set point" (not verbatim). The radiator temperature seems to still be based on the water law settings for the Gen 6 not some implied clever internal feature.</p>
<p>Apologies for misleading anyone :-)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@mike-h my pump does switch off when the room temp goes 0.5C above my target temp but this only happens with solar gain or my hand is near the controller too long. Most of the time it appear...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike-h my pump does switch off when the room temp goes 0.5C above my target temp but this only happens with solar gain or my hand is near the controller too long. Most of the time it appears to keep the room at the target temp of 20.5C and the pump running continuously.</p>
<p>Here is my firmware version info</p>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@mike-h I do have the 12Kw Samsung Gen 6 model.
Just to clarify, if you go to the Zone screen you should have the target room or water temp on the left and &quot;Water Outlet&quot; and &quot;Indoor&quot; tempe...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike-h I do have the 12Kw Samsung Gen 6 model.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, if you go to the Zone screen you should have the target room or water temp on the left and "Water Outlet" and "Indoor" temperatures on the right. These indicate the actual temperatures the system is seeing</p>
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<p>Regards</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@broadsman the #2093 setting should be &quot;Room Temp. only ON / OFF&quot; for the Gen 6 controller.
Please make sure #2091 and #2092 are set to &quot;not use&quot; and any external third party thermostats ar...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@broadsman the #2093 setting should be "Room Temp. only ON / OFF" for the Gen 6 controller.</p>
<p>Please make sure #2091 and #2092 are set to "not use" and any external third party thermostats are disconnected.</p>
<p>I did get an error myself but it looked like a flow interruption if I remember correctly. I think it is caused by the change in mode, I just pressed OK and it cleared then everything was running ok. The error for me was "Indoor (200000) / E121" for your info.</p>
<p>Regards</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/samsung-ashp-scheduling-help/paged/19/#post-42655</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You may have a different model from me - mine is a Gen 6 12kW Samsung - but on mine there is no feedback from the controller on LWT when room temperature target is approached. Basically, whe...]]></description>
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<p>Once it reaches the room temp the flow temperature is backed off a little and the power consumption does go down compared to my previous consumption. If you monitor the controller it does vary the flow temperatures accordingly, to maintain the room temperature quite accurately in my case (+/- 0.3C on average) when the desired temperature has been reached.</p>
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<p>You may have a different model from me - mine is a Gen 6 12kW Samsung - but on mine there is no feedback from the controller on LWT when room temperature target is approached. Basically, when the indoor temperature reaches target temperature plus one degree (eg 21C if target is 20C), then the heat pump is switched off and will come back on when the room temperature drops to 20C. The heat output does drop as room temperature rises, but this is due to the emitters emitting less heat as the temperature difference between emitter and room falls. I wonder if your ability to keep room temperature at +/- 0.3C is because you have got your water law settings perfectly set rather than feedback from the controller.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/samsung-ashp-scheduling-help/paged/19/#post-42639</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 14:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@technogeek I have now tried to change to Indoor mode, but I get an error message, but I may not have the 2093 settings correct. What are the full settings for 2093 please?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@technogeek I have now tried to change to Indoor mode, but I get an error message, but I may not have the 2093 settings correct. What are the full settings for 2093 please?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 12:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@technogeek Thanks for posting this in detail.  I&#039;ve been running in this mode for ages, but hadn&#039;t realised the Schedule options added the ability to change temperature rather than just on/...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@technogeek Thanks for posting this in detail.  I've been running in this mode for ages, but hadn't realised the Schedule options added the ability to change temperature rather than just on/off.  </p>
<p>Because I wasn't aware of the setback scheduling option I've been using Home Assistant with the excellent ESP32 RS485 solution from @morh and a Home Assistant climate scheduler, which gives me control over the internet.</p>
<p>I do think your setup would be the simplest way to achieve local control without having to become a heat pump expert, providing that the MIM-E03 controller is installed in a good place for the thermostat within the building.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 11:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@technogeek Thanks. I think I will try the &quot;Indoor&quot; setting and see what the differences are from W/L]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@technogeek Thanks. I think I will try the "Indoor" setting and see what the differences are from W/L]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 11:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@broadsman I believe you have got it right. If you are in Indoor mode you should see it indicated in the bottom right of the central heating screen otherwise it will indicate water law if I ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@broadsman I believe you have got it right. If you are in Indoor mode you should see it indicated in the bottom right of the central heating screen otherwise it will indicate water law if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>I opted for the room temperature control option due to my property having old 1970's radiators, which are unknown regards specifications in the system. Trying to calculate and tweak what flow temperatures are required to achieve 21C room temperature was a pain so I now let the heat pump do that for me.</p>
<p>I also confirmed it was working because some days the pump happily runs continuously producing water temperatures of  around 34C. When I was running on my manually configured WC I could not set the flow temperature to less than 37C before the compressor started cycling etc.  In addition, during the cold snap here of +2C, the pump increased the flow temperature to +48C and then varied the temperature between +45C and +48C to maintain the room temperature.</p>
<p>I am very pleased with the performance so far because the system used to take all day to recover from my setbacks with the old third party thermostat but now it takes approximately 4 - 5 hours in my case. This means I can start the pump during cheap electricity times when the samsung controller works the pump a little harder (I believe but not witnessed it so far) and the house is relatively warm when we get up in the morning. Once it reaches the room temp the flow temperature is backed off a little and the power consumption does go down compared to my previous consumption. If you monitor the controller it does vary the flow temperatures accordingly, to maintain the room temperature quite accurately in my case (+/- 0.3C on average) when the desired temperature has been reached.</p>
<p>As I have a bivalent system, my SCOP figure is based on an outside temperature of +2C and above. Since the beginning of January when I made the change, I am currently getting a COP of 3.95 for January and February compared to the previous 3.7 for November and December. I will need to run this new arrangement a full year to get an accurate SCOP figure but it is looking good to me so far</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Samsung ASHP scheduling help</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 09:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@technogeek Just a clarification please.  If I change from WL to Indoor Zone setting via the controller, then it becomes a room temperature sensor and will maintain the set temperature where...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@technogeek Just a clarification please.  If I change from WL to Indoor Zone setting via the controller, then it becomes a room temperature sensor and will maintain the set temperature where the controller is.   However if I leave it on the WL setting, but change from Auto to Heat, then it controls the Outflow temperature of the water. Have I got that right?]]></content:encoded>
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