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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2024 15:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@ecobaker  You should see a Mitsubishi! &#x1f923;]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ecobaker  You should see a Mitsubishi! &#x1f923; </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>bontwoody</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Apr 2024 15:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@iancalderbank Ah okay, thats interesting. I have to say deciphering the user manual and FSV values is one of the most difficult parts of owning a samsung heat pump.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@iancalderbank Ah okay, thats interesting. I have to say deciphering the user manual and FSV values is one of the most difficult parts of owning a samsung heat pump.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2024 19:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@iancalderbank Thanks for that explanation Ian, very interesting and useful]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@iancalderbank Thanks for that explanation Ian, very interesting and useful]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2024 09:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[also its worth saying, the PWM pump is not the enabler to run at low flow temps. That comes from having big enough emitters, properly balanced, etc.
what the PWM does is control the flow ra...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also its worth saying, the PWM pump is not the enabler to run at low flow temps. That comes from having big enough emitters, properly balanced, etc.</p>
<p>what the PWM does is control the flow rate up/down to maintain the DT , at lower output levels when running in a steady state for a long period. For a given lower output, you can have either the flow rate staying the same (Fixed speed pump) and DT reduced, or the DT can stay the same and the flow rate reduces (variable speed pump).</p>
<p>there is an FSV , can't remember the number of the top of my head, for Target DT. with a PWM pump in the system, the samsung will vary the flow rate to try to maintain this DT but only when its in the stable part of a heating cycle. It has no effect when doing DHW, or when in the initial startup part of a heating cycle (Which is 30-60 mins , at least on my system). This FSV for DT control method  has no function if you don't have a PWM pump (this is a common misconception), and is of little use in a system with primary/secondary seperation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>iancalderbank</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2024 09:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@ecobaker 
definitely. Bigger rads and lower flow temperature is your low hanging fruit.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ecobaker </p>
<p>definitely. Bigger rads and lower flow temperature is your low hanging fruit. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2024 09:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@ecobaker mine did not need a firmware change. the PWM worked first time. I am not even sure how you would go about getting a firmware change done.
radiator changes - yes - put your effort ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ecobaker mine did not need a firmware change. the PWM worked first time. I am not even sure how you would go about getting a firmware change done.</p>
<p>radiator changes - yes - put your effort in there first. obvious gains as you have found.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>iancalderbank</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2024 09:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@bontwoody @iancalderbank Thanks for the advice. Looks like Ill try and get a firmware update before removing the LLH, although that could be tricky.
Also I just swapped out a small radiato...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bontwoody @iancalderbank Thanks for the advice. Looks like Ill try and get a firmware update before removing the LLH, although that could be tricky.</p>
<p>Also I just swapped out a small radiator for a much bigger one in my kitchen which resulted in a jump of daily COP from 3.6 to 4.1, I have three other rads I want to swap as well when I can afford to do it. I think thats probably a first step before removing a LLH or changing pump. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2024 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@iancalderbank Thanks Ian.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@iancalderbank Thanks Ian.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2024 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@bontwoody it will run at 35, but only stably if you have enough emitters  to balance the min output of the HP. Which in my case with a 16kw gen6 unit is 3.5kw. Below about 34-35C my emitter...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bontwoody it will run at 35, but only stably if you have enough emitters  to balance the min output of the HP. Which in my case with a 16kw gen6 unit is 3.5kw. Below about 34-35C my emitter output drops too low , so it would short cycles , so I have tuned the WC so it doesn't go much below that.</p>
<p>lots of run data on my heatpumpmonitor.org data, as per my sig.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Removing a Low Loss Header from Samsung Gen6 System</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2024 12:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@ecobaker @heacol 
I managed to talk to Glyn Hudson who was having difficulties getting PWM to work with his Samsung. However he has managed to sort it with a firmware update of the indoor ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ecobaker @heacol </p>
<p>I managed to talk to Glyn Hudson who was having difficulties getting PWM to work with his Samsung. However he has managed to sort it with a firmware update of the indoor controller and now it works at low flow temperatures, so it seems Samsung have sorted it.</p>
<p>https://community.openenergymonitor.org/t/samsung-mim-c02n-s-net-pro-dongle/25418/5</p>
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