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									Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please - Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)				            </title>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2022 14:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Posted by: @editor 
@julianc, it&#039;s very pricey – we&#039;re in the process of doing the maths and trying to see how things stack up in terms of costs and CO2 emissions. 

Do you think at some ...]]></description>
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<p>@julianc, it's very pricey – we're in the process of doing the maths and trying to see how things stack up in terms of costs and CO2 emissions. </p>
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<p>Do you think at some stage will have to improve the insulation/draft proofing and invest some money in your ashp setup where you already know there are issues? </p>
<p>Can't be an easy decision working out where to invest but i assume it should be possible to run your ashp alone more efficiently with further investment? I do feel for your situation. </p>
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						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@julianc, it&#039;s very pricey – we&#039;re in the process of doing the maths and trying to see how things stack up in terms of costs and CO2 emissions.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@julianc, it's very pricey – we're in the process of doing the maths and trying to see how things stack up in terms of costs and CO2 emissions. </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/hybrid-oil-and-ashp-experiences-please/paged/2/#post-5570</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 20:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@editor Thanks Mars. Wow, that’s expensive. Surely it would be cheaper to run the ASHP at a slightly higher temperature?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@editor Thanks Mars. Wow, that’s expensive. Surely it would be cheaper to run the ASHP at a slightly higher temperature?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>JulianC</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 17:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@julianc, last year it was £1/per litre, but as with all things it&#039;s gone up to around £1.30/litre. As far as I know, it&#039;s not really available everywhere at the moment though. The reason it...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@julianc, last year it was £1/per litre, but as with all things it's gone up to around £1.30/litre. As far as I know, it's not really available everywhere at the moment though. The reason it's so bloody expensive is because it's loaded with levies, duties and taxes – if they were stripped away, it would be same price as kerosene, about 51p/litre (that's our rate for this week).</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Mars</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/hybrid-oil-and-ashp-experiences-please/#post-5557</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 16:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@editor hi Mars. How much is HVO per litre?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@editor hi Mars. How much is HVO per litre?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>JulianC</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/hybrid-oil-and-ashp-experiences-please/#post-5539</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 10:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@editor Many thanks for this. I’m finding not quite the flexibility of installation I would like. Worcester Bosch offer hybrid solution but you’ve got to add an additional interior unit to a...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@editor Many thanks for this. I’m finding not quite the flexibility of installation I would like. Worcester Bosch offer hybrid solution but you’ve got to add an additional interior unit to achieve it. Theoretically I’m well placed in that my oil boiler required hot Water tank....rather than condensing route...but practically just adding ashp and software controller is not so easy. By using the govt recommended route of DHW from oil boiler means I could keep my existing HW tank, but the setup for most of the systems look like adding either a sizeable piece of kit I don’t want, or moving away from the out the box install that it comes with. I’m preferring the Grant option in that everything can move outside and into one box if required, but that means overriding the default setup options...so I’m exploring that today with a Grant installer. Keep you posted.thanks again.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>JuddMay</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2022 09:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@prunus Many thanks for that
the schematic on page 118, suggests that the EHS has no direct impact on DHW, and access to it is via a buffer tank. That flies in the face of the govt report w...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@prunus Many thanks for that</p>
<p>the schematic on page 118, suggests that the EHS has no direct impact on DHW, and access to it is via a buffer tank. That flies in the face of the govt report which highlights DHW is best done by traditional heating source (oil in my case), but that doesn’t look like an out the box solution from Grant. Will speak to them Monday</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>JuddMay</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
                        <link>https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/hybrid-oil-and-ashp-experiences-please/#post-5472</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2022 23:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Oops, missed the edit window. It&#039;s section 8.4 on page 120 (External Heat Source) not 8.3 (electric backup heater) - it appears you can have both and they work in the same way, just the sett...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, missed the edit window. It's section 8.4 on page 120 (External Heat Source) not 8.3 (electric backup heater) - it appears you can have both and they work in the same way, just the settings for each can be different.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Prunus</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2022 22:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[For Grant the heatpumps are made by Chofu who provide a much more detailed manual.  See section 8.3, page 111 onwards
In particular, 8.3.2 describes &#039;Backup heater in Supplementary mode&#039; whe...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Grant the heatpumps are made by Chofu who provide a much more detailed manual.  See section 8.3, page 111 onwards:<br />https://github.com/aerona-chofu-ashp/docs/blob/main/Chofu/R32/New-Zealand/Chofu-Operating-Installation-Manual-R32.pdf</p>
<p>In particular, 8.3.2 describes 'Backup heater in Supplementary mode' where it'll run both at the same time, using the oil burner to boost up the temperature when the ASHP can't do it all.</p>
<p>Note that the heatpump has its own room temperature compensation/control system which Grant completely ignore by using classical on/off thermostats as if it's a traditional boiler. It is possible this supplementary mode doesn't work if you use them as Grant indicate.</p>
<p>I don't have a hybrid setup so no direct experience.  In general, when people talk about hybrid setups are they running both at the same time, or just turning off the heat pump and firing up the boiler?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://renewableheatinghub.co.uk/forums/renewable-heating-air-source-heap-pumps-ashps/">Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHPs)</category>                        <dc:creator>Prunus</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Hybrid oil and ashp experiences please</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2022 13:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The guys at Daikin sent us some manuals explaining the controls on Daikin systems for hybrid systems. Look from page 72 onwards, and it&#039;ll hopefully provide you with a few more answers.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guys at Daikin sent us some manuals explaining the controls on Daikin systems for hybrid systems. L<span style="color: #333333">ook from page 72 onwards, and it'll hopefully provide you with a few more answers.<br /></span></p>
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